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PostPosted: Mar 22, 2013 23:48    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Sulfur


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 Description:
Sulphur, gypsum, aragonite
Sicily, Italy
14.6 x 6.9 x 7.1 cm
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 Description:
Sulphur, gypsum, aragonite
Sicily, Italy
14.6 x 6.9 x 7.1 cm
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 Description:
Sulphur, gypsum, aragonite
Sicily, Italy
14.6 x 6.9 x 7.1 cm
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 Description:
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Sicily, Italy
14.6 x 6.9 x 7.1 cm
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 Description:
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Sicily, Italy
5.2 x 4.1 x 3.7 cm
 Viewed:  29892 Time(s)

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Sicily, Italy
5.2 x 4.1 x 3.7 cm
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 04:26    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Don Lum wrote:
Sulfur, Selenite, Aragonite

Hi !

It seems there is no such species as selenite. I have the latest IMA list open and am not able to find it (you are very likely referring to gypsum, aren't you?).

From IMA list (by alphabetical order):

(...)
Sekaninaite
Seladonite
Selenium
Selenjoseite
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 10:03    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Carles Millan wrote:
It seems there is no such species as selenite. I have the latest IMA list open and am not able to find it (you are very likely referring to gypsum, aren't you?).

Carles,

The information that I put on the post is what was on the one and only label that came with the specimen. I do not change old labels or alter them in any manner. Sometimes I still say Constantinople instead of Istanbul and a book I'm reading still calls one particular country Babylon. If you think that it is more correct to change the nomenclature to gypsum, I have no problem with that. When the specimen was found and prepared for sale, the dealer put selenite on it.

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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 10:23    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

More info about this topic here: the improper use of the term selenite
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 10:27    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Don Lum wrote:
If you think that it is more correct to change the nomenclature to gypsum...

Don,

I don't think so, IMA does. No matter what your labels say.

And so does the Site Admin Mr. John White > https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=4688#4688
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 12:41    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Geology suffered from this for years as the early days were primarily descriptive. So if you add perhaps four languages, ten common usages, and two or three local dialects well.....you get the picture. I have commonly heard of gypsum referred to as selenite, especially if it was clear. I too am not sure if it is "official" but commonly understood to be the same thing and no communication lost. Geology has entire dictionaries of terms, many equivalent.
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 16:16    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Carles Millan wrote:
I don't think so, IMA does. No matter what your labels say.
And so does the Site Admin Mr. John White > https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=4688#4688

Carles,

Believe it or not, I almost put Gypsum on the post instead of Selenite. I will add a new label to my specimen and I would appreciate it very much if you would change the name on my post if you have not done so already. Thank you for your help.

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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 16:23    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Mark Ost wrote:
I have commonly heard of gypsum referred to as selenite, especially if it was clear. I too am not sure if it is "official"...

Hi Mark!

Thanks for your comments.

Everybody can easily learn whether a species name is official or not by looking it up at the International Mineralogical Association (IMA) list, available in an updated version at https://rruff.info/ima/

That said, at FMF one should use official species names whenever possible. If you either don't know it or are not sure, mentioning only the family is also okay. For example, this is a tourmaline (or a garnet, or a feldspar) may be acceptable in most cases.

However, if you want to cite a variety, it must go accompanied by the species name, like beryl (var. aquamarine) or zoisite (var. tanzanite). Speaking about an aquamarine or a tanzanite, without making mention of the species, is more proper of informal conversations. Otherwise, many novice collectors may wrongly think they are actual species.

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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 16:45    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Hi Carles
That seem logical. I must say that the different terms are a real curse in biology and some other subjects where everyone has a different names for the same thing unless you are using the proper terminology. Odd thing, when I was in school I had a professor who, though a geologist, was a superb wetland plant specialist (you have to be to define wetlands and barrier islands). Now not knowing the informal names for the plants, I found it just as easy to learn the Latin formal names as anything else since I had little reference either way. Minerals can seem worse as there are several layers deep with finer and finer definitions. I learned about 120 of the most common ones, mostly rock forming with little emphasis on exotics and collectables. You can only do so much with the time! I am learning quite a bit on the list and old brain cells are sort of firing again which is nice. Thanks to you and the others. After working as a consulting geologist for so long you have little chance to remember mineralogy or paleontology as client needs and practical drilling concerns crowd those out sometimes, so thanks for the conversation and knowledge. It is Saturday so I guess we have earned our lifetime learners qualifications! Take care. Mark
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 16:59    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Smoky Quartz


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Quartz var Smoky
Lincoln County, New Mexico, USA
14 x 10 x 5.4 cm
 Viewed:  29810 Time(s)

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 Description:
Quartz var Smoky
Lincoln County, New Mexico, USA
14 x 10 x 5.4 cm
 Viewed:  29799 Time(s)

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Lincoln County, New Mexico, USA
14 x 10 x 5.4 cm
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 16:59    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Mark Ost wrote:
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That seem logical. I must say that the different terms are a real curse in biology and some other subjects where everyone has a different names for the same thing unless you are using the proper terminology. (...) Take care. Mark

Mark,

I agree. We must note that minerals, unlike animals and plants, rarely have two names, the popular and the scientific. Indeed there is a strong tendency to adopt a single denomination for each species since the old popular names are becoming obsolete. This makes things easier. Have a nice Sunday!
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 17:13    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Quartz and Tourmaline


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Minas Gerais, Brazil
13 x 7.5 x 7.5 cm
 Viewed:  29788 Time(s)

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 Description:
Quartz, Tourmaline
Minas Gerais, Brazil
13 x 7.5 x 7.5 cm
 Viewed:  29813 Time(s)

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Minas Gerais, Brazil
13 x 7.5 x 7.5 cm
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 17:16    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Carles Millan wrote:
I agree. We must note that minerals, unlike animals and plants, rarely have two names, the popular and the scientific. Indeed there is a strong tendency to adopt a single denomination for each species since the old popular names are becoming obsolete. This makes things easier. Have a nice Sunday!

You too my friend. Hey it is Sunday; and granite now becomes granodiorite until Monday morning! I try to only use technical terms on the special day. I try not to take it for "granite" (bad joke, I crack myself up!). Take care; lets have some fun tomorrow. Mark
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PostPosted: Mar 23, 2013 17:21    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Don Lum wrote:
I would appreciate it very much if you would change the name on my post if you have not done so already. Thank you for your help.

The corrections have been made.

You are welcome, Don!
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PostPosted: Mar 24, 2013 11:48    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Gypsum


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 Description:
Gypsum
Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico
20 x 10 x 13.5 cm
 Viewed:  29634 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico
20 x 10 x 13.5 cm
 Viewed:  29628 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico
20 x 10 x 13.5 cm
 Viewed:  29668 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum (Repaired)
Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico
9.2 x 10.5 x 15.6 cm
 Viewed:  29622 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 24, 2013 13:18    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Gypsum


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 Description:
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Jet, Oklahoma, USA
15 x 14 x 8.1 cm
 Viewed:  29547 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
15 x 14 x 8.1 cm
 Viewed:  29579 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
11.8 x 11.7 x 10 cm
 Viewed:  29554 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
11.8 x 11.7 x 10 cm
 Viewed:  29554 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
11.8 x 11.7 x 10 cm
 Viewed:  29566 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
11.8 x 11.7 x 10 cm
 Viewed:  29591 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
14.5 x 10 x 9 cm
 Viewed:  29566 Time(s)

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 Description:
Gypsum
Jet, Oklahoma, USA
14.5 x 10 x 9 cm
 Viewed:  29576 Time(s)

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Jet, Oklahoma, USA
14.5 x 10 x 9 cm
 Viewed:  29579 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 24, 2013 16:52    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

I am posting two recent acquisitions from a new find. The first is a quartz crystal that is host to an intergrown grouping of complex crystals of multicolored fluorite. The fluorite crystals are violet with a distinct red phantom. The fluorite has interesting face modifications of the octahedron. I believe that some collectors refer to this as "stepped growth." At the corners are cubic crystals with dodecahedral face modifications. I am posting the following pictures to illustrate both the interesting stepped growth and the violet and red colors.


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 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29576 Time(s)

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IMG_0042.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29560 Time(s)

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IMG_0048.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29524 Time(s)

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IMG_0050.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29536 Time(s)

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Image58.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29534 Time(s)

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Image60.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29542 Time(s)

Image60.jpg



Image62.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.2 x 2.6 x 2.3 cm
 Viewed:  29591 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 24, 2013 17:07    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

This is the second of two recent acquisitions from a new find. This quartz crystal is host to several complex crystals of violet colored fluorite. The fluorite has interesting face modifications of the octahedron. I believe that some collectors refer to this as "stepped growth." At the corners are cubic crystals with dodecahedral face modifications. I am posting the following pictures to illustrate both the interesting stepped growth and the violet color.


IMG_0051.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29542 Time(s)

IMG_0051.JPG



IMG_0052.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29542 Time(s)

IMG_0052.JPG



IMG_0055.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29539 Time(s)

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IMG_0056.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29574 Time(s)

IMG_0056.JPG



Image64.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29546 Time(s)

Image64.jpg



Image70.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29545 Time(s)

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Image71.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29517 Time(s)

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Image69.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Quartz
Vioolsdrif, North Cape Province, South Africa
4.6 x 3.3 x 2.6 cm
 Viewed:  29562 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 30, 2013 10:52    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Some minerals in my collection from Mexico


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 Description:
Anhydrite
Santa Eulalia, Mexico
26 x 18.5 x 25 cm
 Viewed:  29371 Time(s)

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 Description:
Anhydrite
Santa Eulalia, Mexico
26 x 18.5 x 25 cm
 Viewed:  29360 Time(s)

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 Description:
Anhydrite
Santa Eulalia, Mexico
26 x 18.5 x 25 cm
 Viewed:  29357 Time(s)

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P1050651.JPG
 Description:
Hemimorphite, Hydrozincite
Santa Eulalia, Mexico
20 x 12 x 6 cm

With Limonite
 Viewed:  29421 Time(s)

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P1050653.JPG
 Description:
Hemimorphite, Hydrozincite
Santa Eulalia, Mexico
20 x 12 x 6 cm

With Limonite
 Viewed:  29336 Time(s)

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 Description:
Adamite (var. cuprian)
Mina Ojuela, Mapimi, Durango, Mexico
12.5 x 8.2 x 4.3 cm
 Viewed:  29358 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 31, 2013 10:57    Post subject: Re: Don Lum Collection  

Smoky Quartz


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 Description:
Quartz variety rose Quartz on smoky Quartz
Paroon, Afghanistan
9 x 6.3 x 6.5 cm
 Viewed:  29255 Time(s)

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 Description:
Quartz variety rose Quartz on smoky Quartz
Paroon, Afghanistan
9 x 6.3 x 6.5 cm
 Viewed:  29295 Time(s)

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 Description:
Quartz variety rose Quartz on smoky Quartz
Paroon, Afghanistan
9 x 6.3 x 6.5 cm
 Viewed:  29304 Time(s)

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P1050593.JPG
 Description:
Amazonite, smoky Quartz
Crystal Peak, Teller County, Colorado, USA
11.2 x 8.3 x 9.9 cm
 Viewed:  29297 Time(s)

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