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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 08:11    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

bob kerr wrote:
Jordi Fabre wrote:
Great photos from Ploum, but not too much texts from other FMFers. Some comments to add about the Show?

This time we are rich in images but poor in comments ;-)

Only speaking for myself, jordi, but I just don't find golds all that interesting, and even though the quality of the photography is excellent there's just way too many gold photos. thus, no comments.

the recent photos though are MUCH more interesting - many unique localities and high quality specimens - matched by the photography...

Thank you Bob.

I mean, comments about the Show itself and made by the attendees of the Show...
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 08:33    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Hi,
The visit of this exhibition was impressive. Many large nuggets and extremely aesthetic gold specimens were presented. But apart from gold, there was not much explanation. Even the mass of metal was rarely given. Many protected showcases surrounding real safes containing rare historical specimens, including the “La Trobe” Nugget, 717 g, Mt McIvor, Victoria, Australia.
This nugget was raised on 1 May 1853 in the presence of Charles La Trobe, Governor of Victoria and named in his honor.
The largest nugget was “Ausrox” Nugget. It was found by metal detector early 2010, Eastern Goldfields, Western Australia. Its mass is 23.26 kg or 748 Troy ounces.
But what I don’t know is the number of samples, they were so numerous.
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 10:24    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Hello Ploum,

Thank you for the "gold fix." I am enjoying the many fine pictures of the gold specimens.

Thanks for your time and effort.

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 14:26    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

@ Roger, I was told that there was a mayor problem with the printing of the original specimen labels. For that reason the organiser had to made friday morning on opening day new labels. What explains maybe why some labels where missing and why not all labels were up to date with history, weight or sizes.

For myself the gold exhibition was truly fabulous. Some of my favorite cases, Harvard Museum, Paris Museum, Mario Pauwels, Wherskhy, the german anonimous leafgold case, and the leafgolds in the vault cases. For some reason I was not impressed with some larger nuggets that I saw, for example that case with three large shapeless nuggets and the vault with the ausrox nugget; very big but also very ugly.


About the specimens who where for sale at the show then. I think that it is an illusion to build a decent, and I am not even saying a great collection without spending a fortune for each specimen. A small 35 milimeter gold specimen who took my interest was priced 5900 euro ! And in the mineral pavilion at the booth of an American dealer I noticed a specimen that was priced 12000 euro, that same specimen is on his website for sale for 12000 $ so this dealer charges an additional 38% in Münich!
So finding nice things at moderate prices for lets say my collection is not easy, even in Münich with such a very large inventory. But when I go to Münich is not only for buying things but also for learning things, and I must say that again I learned a lot with the gold exhibition.

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 14:42    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

I was particularly interested in one special exhibition that was a bit hidden behind the Collectors' Showcases… because I'll probably never again see so many shiny brass devices from my illustrious ancestor's (R.Fuess) company together in one place!

The topic was given as "Golden moments of crystallography" or "Knowledge is gold", and the focus was on the determination of optical properties of crystals: index of refraction, angle between optical axes, etc. This is why we're going to see several goniometers doing double duty as refractometers.

The exhibits had been prepared and annotated by Dr Olaf Medenbach of Ruhr-Univ.Bochum, Germany.

Enjoy!

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In Liebisch's refractometer, mounted here on a "Universal apparatus" after Groth, the index of refraction is obtained from the angle of total reflection, with the specimen (cut, ground and polished to a prism) in air (Fuess c.1890)
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 16:51    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Hi Peter,
I agree with you. This was my 30th visit to the Munich Show. Recent years have seen a change with price inflation. This is unfortunate because a bubble is always possible. But on the other hand, these rare minerals will always be exceptional. Everything will depend on the public interest in the mineral world.
As for gold, it has a fascination that reason cannot explain. Perhaps centuries have included this gene in our DNA.
But if I went so often see this temple Munich, is to see the summits that can reach small samples we collect. The macrophotography can also fill the gap of dimensions.
And Munich also has very affordable stands. Much dealers have more sense.
Roger.
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2013 17:10    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Hi Gerhard,
Dr. Olaf Medenbach is a great specialist of this topic.
In addition, the perfect instruments remain visible in Bochum.
The impression that emerges from this exceptional collection is the clear beauty of instruments that seem magical to the public. A research atmosphere is felt in this space.
The glorious period of these instruments date from the years 1890 – 1920.
Too bad the public does not rush a lot to admire these goniometers and other refractometers. It seems that we can only love what we know and understand.
Roger.
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2013 14:38    Post subject: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013 - People  

Barcelona 01/11/2013

After all these images of rocks and instruments and before to publish the final conclusions I'm adding some images of people that could help to make more human this thread! ;-)



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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2013 14:38    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

One of the things I like about Munich is that, along with having one of the best mineral shows in the world, it is also just a very nice place to visit. With the show normally being late in October one can never count on having good weather. The show dates were early this year so we decided to gamble on some good weather and arrived on the Saturday before the show, giving us a few days to play tourist. The weather turned out to be better than one could hope for and we managed to see a lot of the city before getting totally involved in the show.

The show itself was as impressive and overwhelming as ever, despite the fact that there were few new finds of minerals to be seen. The gold display, though not high on our collecting interests was quite well done, and the special Alpine Strahlers area is always fun as one can see what has been found during the past summer. Also of interest were the large number of tourmaline specimens from the Malkhan pegmatites present, scattered amongst a number of dealers. One of the few new things I saw was a small but nice lot of new fluorites from Panasquiera, perhaps some of the best fluorites I've seen from the mine. Below is a random selection of photos from around Munich and at the show, along with a few fluorites acquired for our collection.

Cheers!



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Elbaite on mica and feldspar
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Elbaite with quartz and lepidolite
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Witherite on alstonite
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A spectacular old-timer out of a German collection circa 1905. Sadly, unaffordable!
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2013 16:29    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Some other pics from Munich 2013.
Roger.



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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2013 17:05    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Wavelength of time of the "Mineralientage Muenchen".
These are all pictures taken from 1964 until today. A beautiful memory.
Starting in 1964 when the show was very modest ...
This is organizers expression of gratitude to the exhibitors.
Roger.



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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2013 17:17    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Great historic photos Roger!

By chance do you have the same (or other) photos, but individual?
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PostPosted: Nov 02, 2013 15:46    Post subject: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013 - What's New?  

Barcelona 02/11/2013

As I do every year, here you have my notes of my vision of this edition of the Mineralientage 2013, but unlike other years, instead a list of novelties, what I will do is try to do is develop one thought that Peter Lickberg told me while he was recording the edition of "What's Hot in Munich 2013" with Bryan Swoboda. Peter said that we are living in a "Golden Age" of mineral collecting and as this may sound strange at the moment because many people, given the apparent lack of novelties which occur in the Fairs, say that in fact we are living in a kind of "Ice Age" instead a "Golden Age". I wanted to give my own opinion about this subject.

It is true that at Munich there were not major novelties (although many small finds like the Realgars on Calcite from Buismas Mine, the Wurtzites with Jordanite from Greece, a new find of German Hydroboracites, the peruvian Clinoatacamites and Axinites, the large single crystals of Alabandite from Tanzania... ) and that the same has been happening for quite a few years at the big shows, but I do not agree that it means a kind of glaciation of the collecting. Several personalities like Wendell Wilson/Tom Moore/Mineralogical Record or Peter Lickberg, several Museum curators and many mineral collectors and dealers that I have talked to, think that after the flood of magnificent specimens that was caused by the landing in the world of minerals from a number of “new” nations such as the former FSU, China, Tanzania, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran ... it was impossible to believe that this boom could continue and it is therefore logical that now we feel a little bit less excited during Fairs, but that this not mean that there is very little new, but that we had so many new things in a few years that it is impossible to live that excitement again. To this I add that unlike the years before the advent of these new countries, now no countries or mines steadily give a material that is nice, colorful and cheap, as during the time there were the seemingly inexhaustible Dioptases from Tsumeb, the Adamites and the Hemimorphites from the Ojuela Mine, or even the Spanish Fluorite, and that it can give a sense of scarcity, but that feeling is not a problem for the collectors but rather for the dealers ;-)

My thoughts are in line with those of Wendell and Peter, just look at the magnificent Tom Moore chronicles regularly appearing in the What's New of the MR or see the online versions of: What's New in the Mineral World? to realize that although the sensations may be those of a kind of scarcity, with time, patience and a good eye the amount of new material that continually appears in the shows is very significant.

Modern methods for mining mean that those times of plenty in which hundreds of beautiful and cheap crystallized specimens came to the shows are over, and probably will never return, but that does not mean that there is no news during the shows but that we should have a different mindset than before when we look for them, find them and enjoy them.

Until the next Mineralientage, good hunting!



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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2013 16:52    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Do the printed catalogs from the show include photos of the gold specimens shown here on FMF? And if so are captions included with the photos that include local, size, weight, etc? I'm thinking of buying one of the catalogs (if still available?), but I will probably pass if the specimens are not well documented.
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PostPosted: Nov 05, 2013 03:05    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Hard to be well documented but i built a book with all what i can.... Please see: http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=34984#34984
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PostPosted: Oct 28, 2014 14:16    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Bonus, 2014 was not very interessant for photo but 2013.....

From my personnal book ;)



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PostPosted: Oct 28, 2014 14:28    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Gold explosion this night ;)


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PostPosted: Oct 28, 2014 14:35    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

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PostPosted: Oct 28, 2014 14:49    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

Gold gold gold


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PostPosted: Oct 28, 2014 15:00    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2013  

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