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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2017 06:04    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
In http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=55402#55402 Enrique Llorens wrote:
Jordi, apart from new "shows" and car parks, there are interesting minerals in Tucson this year ??????...

In http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=55922#55922 Woody Thompson wrote:
...it is frustrating to see so many photos of unidentified people and specimens.

I agree. All fixed, please see: http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=55916#55916

Great news for me to read these comments because it takes a lot of time take the photos, process the photos, make a choice on photos of others, delete with Photoshop the dates in the photos when them appear, publish them, search for the right names, don't do typos or mistakes on these names and even publish good photos of minerals to satisfy everybody. So, as unfortunately in general I do not have much time available, from now I will publish the posts I really like to publish and, as usual, I will try to do it in the best, proper way I can.

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I'm sorry you were disturbed by my comment, it was not my intention, I just wanted to see minerals.
After writing, I thought: if I should be grateful that Jordi created the Forum, but I did not write it, so it's better late than never. Thanks Jordi.
Greetings. Enrique.
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2017 07:20    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

As others have now clarified, my comment about unidentified people in the photos (and mineral specimens as well) was not directed at anyone in particular. Just a general observation, over the past several years, that this has been the case with the post-Tucson Show pictures.
Thanks for fixing it up for this year. BOB
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2017 07:38    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Just chiming in to say that I GREATLY appreciate the time and effort that all contributors put into these show reports. I'm sure I speak for many out here on the cyber sidelines. They give me a sense of connection to the shows and to the mineral community, even when I'm unable to attend. Many thanks to Jordi, Gail, John (intentional or not!), and all others who contribute to the reports.
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2017 12:10    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

I can honestly say that all my pictures were labeled and definitely were not from high-end shows. While I visit those shows for the specimens, the other shows meet my budget with good specimens. Further the quality at the 'peripheral' shows for run-of-mine people is often nothing to laugh at even in comparison to high end.
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PostPosted: Mar 18, 2017 15:08    Post subject: Tucson Show 2017 - Miscelanea  

Before the final conclusions a slight miscellany of images taken by Jordi Deusedes during the Show


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PostPosted: Mar 19, 2017 01:31    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Hi Jordi. Thank you for the photos. On the last few photos in particular, I see lots of mineral specimens but very few people. Is that because it was late during the show? Was business good for the average dealer?
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PostPosted: Mar 19, 2017 11:49    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

I saw very few people at any of the shows at opening times and for a time thereafter in the mornings. As an early riser and collector this was great for me to look and discuss. Not so much though for the dealers.
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PostPosted: Mar 19, 2017 16:07    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Others may have a different opinion, but of the dealers and visitors that I spoke with (and I was not there this year), all said attendance was again down this year. A Tucson trend of the past few years. Perhaps the attendance decline is related to the aging collector base along with continuing uptrend in prices. BOB
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PostPosted: Mar 19, 2017 16:41    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Pierre Joubert wrote:
Hi Jordi. Thank you for the photos. On the last few photos in particular, I see lots of mineral specimens but very few people. Is that because it was late during the show? Was business good for the average dealer?


I’ve talked with dozens of dealers towards the end of the Tucson Show and – with only a few exceptions - they all had below average to poor shows (sales wise anyway). The few who did seemed to be handling mostly dealer support material. I heard lots of thoughts as to why:

- There’s really nothing new (no excitement) – probably about 3 years in a row now
- What is new is immediately scarfed up by the big league dealers – at the mine mouth and when old collections come on the market
- Way too many medium grade pieces have top end prices
- Show costs and motel charges are way too high (example: for the HTCC, a dealer could easily pay $10-$15K for the room, show fee, cabinet rental, lights, licenses, shipping (to and from), travel, meals and on and on. He has to essentially give away his first $10-$15K in minerals before breaking even – not including the dealer cost of the minerals themselves.)
- The strong US dollar makes travel from overseas too expensive – international crowds were WAY done
- The show is way too long, costly and demanding
And, of course:
- Trump and/or Obama

Some other anecdotal thoughts without comment:
- During the TGMS club show, I prepared a flat of nice material to give away to kids who stop by my booth – I gave away exactly one piece. At the Flagg Show I gave away quite a few more but – in spite of my “Free to Kids” sign – I had to run after some kids to give them something.
- I belong to two Clubs and the average age of members is north of 70.
- I deal in medium to upper middle grade pieces and it has become extremely difficult to buy pieces – even at wholesale (whatever that means) – that I can markup reasonably and sell in this lifetime.
I worry about the future of the hobby that I love – but maybe we’ve just been spoiled so much over the last 20+ years (the so-called “Golden Age of Minerals”) that a “bump in the road” like that we’re seeing now is a shock.

I hope it’s a bump.
bob
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PostPosted: Mar 19, 2017 18:26    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

I have talked about this subject on numerous occasions and to numerous collectors and I echo BOB K's thoughts.

General collecting today is not nearly as popular with younger people as it was in the 1950s and 1960s. Back then younger kids virtually all collected something.....stamps, coins, rocks, baseball cards etc etc etc.....something. Well coins in the USA went by the wayside in 1965 when silver coins were eliminated; no more looking for older stuff. Stamps went by the wayside about the same time when all the newer generation peel off types came into common usage and rock collecting went by the wayside when vast numbers of walk in sites became extinct due to urban sprawl and other sites closed down to collectors of all ages due to liability concerns. Youngsters starting off with field collecting is a shadow of its former self. Today many field collecting sites are either extinct or commercial operations under claim and using heavy equipment. Also sports and social media has usurped youngsters time away from their parents' hobbies.
The bottom line today is that there are fewer young collectors; more collectors are older, commonly turning to it in middle age or close to retirement. Many of these collectors tend to have financial resources (buying from middle range and higher end dealers) while the less affluent collectors simply lose interest after looking at the higher prices and poor quality of their lower end examples.

Then as BOB K noted the costs of collecting and dealing are way up from years ago. Looking at flat after flat after flat of much material on today's market is not pretty. Unlike stamps and coins where you collect to fill a specific space, there is a nearly endless supply of middle range rocks of many types; far more than the whole collector community can absorb. Who can really set a fair price for this stuff. For many folks a $25 price is now $250 at the larger shows; only set so the dealer can attempt to financially break even while the customers cannot afford those prices for middling quality specimens.

I could go on and on, talking about mineral collecting related periodicals seeing declines in paid circulation etc etc etc. In my opinion all this needs lengthy discussion, but surprising numbers of collectors and dealers just blow it off, putting their heads in the sand, but the future is coming closer. Who knows what all this will be like in 10 - 20 years?? BOB
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2017 02:21    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2017  

Bob H said: 'Also sports and social media has usurped youngsters time away from their parents' hobbies.'

I am often surprised at how many adults have no hobbies (except perhaps TV), but a worrying trend is the youth of today that have become 'usurped' by the social media (smart phone).

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