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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 06:34    Post subject: Historical Information About Sodalite  

I'm writing an article on sodalite for inclusion in my website and I'm looking for original material about sodalite, I'm not interested in the recent history like the Prince and Princess of Wales' visit to Canada in 1901, I'm looking for information relating to it being used thousands of years ago in South America. I'm not sure if this is even factual but I have seen a couple of very short postings which indicate it may be.

If anyone can give me any information or direct me to literature where I may be able to find this information out, I'd be hugely grateful.

During my research I did however discover that the Princess of Wales (subsequently Queen Mary) gave her husband (future King George V) a sodalite letter opener and she also had two vases made to order from sodalite as well. These items are currently in the royal collection here in the UK and are both really quite beautiful.

Thanks for reading and if you can help with any information, It would really help me out.

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I'm not able to add a direct link to the Royal Collection website where these pieces are featured but if you follow the links on the Sodalite information page of my website, you'll be able to see more photos and further information on both items. Stone Mania. Apologies if I've posted anything that's in breach of the rules of the forum, please delete if necessary.
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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 07:30    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Sadly, I suspect we cannot help. We are interested in crystallized specimens, not polished stones. That said, you may get a useful response from a member of the forum.
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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 08:55    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Hi James,

Yup, I realise this forum is primarily for rough minerals, I use it often for my research but there's some pretty knowledgeable folks on here so I thought it was worth a go.

I have in the mean time managed to find a reference with some of the information I'm looking for so I'm no longer as desperate but let's see if anyone comes up with anything.

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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 09:58    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Try searching in Spanish for "Collar Precolombiano de Sodalita"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/275455?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 10:20    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

If you go to the lithographie.org website and look for their Bolivia issue, you will find an article about the pre-Colombian sodalite mine in Bolivia.
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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 10:45    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Hi to everybody!
If you contact any gemmological institute, I think you will be provided publications about sodalite used for ornamental material, and for any other stone used the same way.
Greetings from Italy by Riccardo.

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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2017 16:04    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Thank you so much guys, i knew i'd get some leads in here 😀👍🏻
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 03:39    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Hi, it might be peripherical info only in the given context, but from the point of view of history of mineralogy there are many juicy details. The first scientific description of the mineral was not made on the commonly known blue version, rather on a green-gray variant, that is abundant at its type locality on south Greenland. By the way this material is strongly fluorescent under UV light.
In the Spanish version of the FMF you have this string about the type locality:
http://www.foro-minerales.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8678
In case you are interested in further details in this direction let me know, and I will post here a bit more.
Good luck with your research and writing, seems very interesting! Please share with us some of your outcome when ready. The cultural aspects of minerals does interest many of us.
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 04:25    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Hey,

Thanks so much for this information! There's already a huge amount of material online about minerals that's repeated over and over again so I do try and write stuff that's slightly more unique which is why I like digging for facts that aren't always readily available!

I have a big interest in the history of minerals and take a lot of stuff from writings of ancient Greek and Roman authors like Theophrastus and Pliny.

Thanks again for helping out and I'll follow up the leads you've mentioned. Unfortunately the thread in the Spanish forum is all in Spanish, unsurprisingly, but I don't speak Spanish.

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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 07:44    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Stone Mania wrote:
...Unfortunately the thread in the Spanish forum is all in Spanish, unsurprisingly, but I don't speak Spanish...

In the upper left of each page of the Spanish Forum (and here) you have a translation button.
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 08:33    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Ahhhhhh, thanks, being a typical man I didn't use my eyes! That's very good to know!! :-)
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 13:54    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

A friend of mine now owns the pre-Colombian sodalite mine in Bolivia, which was rediscovered and reopened about 80 years ago. A skeleton of a dead miner found inside an ancient tunnel seems to be a teenage girl.

Nowadays the tourists at some mines in Bolivia are told that women cannot go underground because the indigenous miners are superstitious about women in mines, but that is really a superstition brought over by the Catholic conquistadors from Spain, not an original indian belief.
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2017 15:00    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

That's quite a story!!
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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2017 03:23    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite - Ilímaussaq  

Hi again, the type locality and the original (scientific) discovery of sodalite is exciting, although this is a topic of which you will find very little information on the “standard” info sources of Internet. If you are interested, probably this is an excellent text (I have not read it but I know the author, he is a Danish mineralogist with special interest in alkaline intrusions):

“Sodalite—a mineralogical chameleon” by Henrik Friis
Geology Today, Volume 27, Issue 5 September/October 2011 Pages 194–198

Abstract: "Sodalite is not one of the minerals geologists come across everyday and will, by many, be considered rather exotic. However, sodalite is a mineral which forms in some of the largest alkaline complexes in the world, and it also has optical properties that have attracted the attention of material scientists. Furthermore, the initial discovery and subsequent description of sodalite involves some very interesting people, as well as one of the major wars in Europe."

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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2017 04:41    Post subject: Re: Historical Information About Sodalite  

Thanks for the additional info on Sodalite, I've actually written my article now, the information I received here was a great help and enabled me to get all the information I needed.

I'm currently going through my site re writing many of the pages because they haven't been updated for a good few years, when I re write the page on "minerals", I'll certainly add a link to this forum. I have referred to it before in FB and blog posts because it's been a great resource for me but most of my customers and followers on social media are more interested in polished minerals and "crystals" and that's what I sell. I'd prefer to deal in rough minerals because that's my passion but you have to sell what the customers want!!

It's a great forum and the best one around that's for sure and I've certainly used a few over the years.

Keep up the good work!

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