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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 00:33    Post subject: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

I just wanted to share a story I just saw in the last hour on Facebook, sadly the Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in Fallbrook, California, was robbed of several important Tourmaline Specimens..... here is the link to the facebook story:
https://www.facebook.com/fallbrookgemandmineralsociety/posts/1854174861264990
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Apologies if I have not done this correctly, but I wanted to get this up so that everyone can see it and spread the news to be on the lookout. Jordi and/or admins, can you please add the photos of the pieces shown in it? Many thanks in advance, lets hope these get found soon....
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 02:38    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Thank you Chris.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 03:33    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Chris Wentzell wrote:
...Jordi and/or admins, can you please add the photos of the pieces shown in it? Many thanks in advance, lets hope these get found soon....

Thanks for the warning. I add four images of the stolen specimens that I found on the net. If you get more please add it. Thank you.



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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 04:50    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Sorry to hear this, Chris

Being in Catalonia, I doubt I can give any indication... In case I see them in Internet as being to be sold, or sold, I would contact you...

With best wishes, and a very prompt recuperation of pieces!

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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 05:30    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

If they knew what there were doing they will have taken labels with locations. Do we know their localities?
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 05:31    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Thank you all..... also, the phone number for reporting anything is in the facebook post, but I would like to include it here too so if somebody sees or hears anything they can report it....
"Museum break-in: early hours of Sept. 10, 2017. 5 major tourmaline specimens stolen, plus others. Report suspicious sales or leads to San Diego Sheriff's Dept 760-451-3141

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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 08:08    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

photos 1 and 3 are Cryogenie Mine, Warner Springs, California,
photo 4 is Himalaya Mine, Pala
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 09:14    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

I will keep an eye out for internet sales - as I am fairly certain they will not turn up in the UK.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 13:29    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Himalaya Mine is in Mesa Grande not Pala.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 13:47    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

rweaver wrote:
Himalaya Mine is in Mesa Grande not Pala.

This is what happens before the morning pot of coffee.....
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 14:07    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Or what happens when you grow up in San Diego and wind up being a Yellow Hat / Driver for Josie Scripps. On the up side I got into places in the county back then that a lot of collectors did not.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 17:29    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Thefts of mineral specimens from museums have become depressingly common in recent years: Sterling Hill, Mariposa, Franklin... and more. One might wonder whether museums were a safe bet for depositing the world's mineralogical treasures. I think we need a collectors' strike: no more mineral donations to museums until their security systems are brought up-to-date.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2017 23:35    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

Were these Josie Scripps specimens? She really had quite a collection!...and did a lot to advance the mining and collection of minerals in San Diego. Sorry to hear of the theft. I once had some professional movers move my collection. All was still there EXCEPT the raw diamonds - all gone. I couldn't do anything, as they simply said 'prove you had them in the mineral drawers when the movers moved them' - and I could not - though I am 100% sure they were....the box with the label was still there, but empty. Thank goodness the moving men didn't think any of my other specimens had enough value for them to pilfer.

Sadly, I think there are enough collectors in CA and nearby who would likely be interested in buying those specimens privately without the need to advertise them on the internet or at a show. Hope I'm wrong and they show up again. The thieves could be collectors themselves and not trying to sell them.
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PostPosted: Sep 13, 2017 02:25    Post subject: Re: Theft of Tourmalines from Fallbrook Gem & Mineral Society Museum in California  

alfredo wrote:
Thefts of mineral specimens from museums have become depressingly common in recent years: Sterling Hill, Mariposa, Franklin... and more. One might wonder whether museums were a safe bet for depositing the world's mineralogical treasures. I think we need a collectors' strike: no more mineral donations to museums until their security systems are brought up-to-date.
That question always comes to my mind when I hear about such thefts. When I imagine I had such a criminal intent and I would be about to steal a specimen from a museum ... I would have no chance in any museum that I know. The only "chance" would be to break the glass of a showcase, and that would not stay unnoticed. Apart from that, I would have to carry a heavy thing like a large hammer with me. Actually museum displays (at least here in Germany) do not have thin glass that can be broken easily, a larger hammer or something similar would be necessary. So how do those thieves manage to "open" the displays? Do they really smash them and no one notices??? Or do they have picklock keys (which would mean the museums use amateur displays without security mechanism)? Or are there museums that do not lock their specimens away so that visitors can grab them?!
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