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PostPosted: Apr 27, 2018 19:24    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

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Don - no double 0 number but I sometimes use: "Kerr, Bob Kerr"

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PostPosted: Apr 28, 2018 11:39    Post subject: Tucson Show 2018 - A small acknowledgment  

A small acknowledgment to all those who, headed by Bob Kerr, have contributed to making this thread so interesting (getting closer to the 50,000 readings already)

Thanks to all who have participated. More participants next year, please! 😇

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PS: Don't miss our "big sister": Gail Spann's Tucson Adventures. February 2018 🤗
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2018 20:01    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Thanks for the compliment, Jordi!

Having an extensive Tucson Show thread on your site kind of addresses an item I've mentioned to Wendell Wilson a number of times - that is, why not dedicate an entire MR issue to the goings-on of the Tucson Shows?? after all, it is THE main event of the mineral world - nothing is even close to it's depth and breadth.

As it stands now, we only get an MR article on "What's New" usually by Tom Moore. Tom is quite efficient but frankly he only scratches the surface of this mega-show - and frequently focuses too much on the elite dealers - or should I say to many elite dealers focus on Tom? (my opinion).. Why not solicit other attendees for brief (or even extensive) articles on the goings-on of the various Shows and venues? This seems even more needed as the number of smaller, excellent shows is growing as dealers avoid the three week HTCC show. Expecting Tom to cover all of these is not fair to him.

And these could/should not be limited to just "What's New" but also include observations and opinions like you - and others - write? they could be treated as "letters to the editor" to avoid any conflicts if necessary. I've not seen a letters to the editor secion in the MR for some time!!

just a thought - but I will continue to post on your site as long as it's around.

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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2018 05:57    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

In 2004 the MR had a whole supplement devoted to the 50 year history of the Tucson show. I think BOB K, you had best reread it or get that supplement from the MR website as it is readily available. As mentioned, the MR has, following each Tucson show, a column discussing "what's new in Tucson".
Not only this, but, pertaining to BOB K's specific suggestion, for the past several years, BRYAN SWOBODA, as part of Blue Cap Productions, has produced a whole CD discussing each of the big shows including a yearly whole CD on the Tucson Show. These CDs are included with the MR bimonthly issues. As an aside, on the CD, JORDI F has been shown in his dealership room when he attended the Tucson Show.

Between the MR 2004 whole supplement devoted to the 50 years of the Tucson Show, the yearly "what's new" column, and the yearly whole CD devoted to the Tucson Show, I think the MR has done a really good job of covering the show. Maybe for the show's 75th and 100th anniversary another supplement will be in order. BOB
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PostPosted: May 01, 2018 08:21    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

BOB H - the MR issue on the 50 year history of the TGMS show was indeed a good issue - but it doesn't address what I think an annual issue should:

- the 50 year history focused on the TGMS show only and as we all know it is only one of many shows now
- it also focused on the TGMS show's organization and people involved - not minerals or how the mineral hobby is changing
- it was issued in 2004 so clearly it has nothing to do with the last 15 years since - a time frame when things have changed drastically.

In case you haven't noticed, the annual DVDs "what's new in......" is in reality sponsored by many of the elite dealers and also to no one's surprise, the DVDs features them and their ultra hi-end specimens. It is essentially a form of advertising. don't get me wrong, I totally enjoy watching these videos but they focus on specimens that only the very top end collectors can dream of adding to their collection - and doing so at prices that the vast vast majority of collectors can't afford - or won't pay for.

So that leave's Tom Moore's annual article which as I mentioned only scratches the surface of the Tucson "Show". It also only briefly - if at all - discusses dealers and minerals that the vast majority of collectors buy and also does not offer insights/observations from various attendees.

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PostPosted: May 01, 2018 08:42    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

BOB K, I fully realize what you are saying and actually agree with you. However we should realize that the MR is a heavily underwritten glitzy and rather expensive periodical clearly geared toward the higher end collectors in the first place. The CD, advertising or not, is essentially the same.
Perhaps a periodical such as Rocks & Minerals, geared more towards the "bread and butter collectors", might be the way to go with your wishes ???
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PostPosted: May 01, 2018 09:13    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

When the MR first started out it was geared towards the bread and butter collectors. It is only over the last few years it has been geared towards the high end dealers and collectors. I know I am one of the few still around that miss seeing the older collections shown in the MR. I am one of those bread and butter collectors that built their collection up over almost 50 years working with a very limited budget. It is nice to see the minerals that I can not afford to buy, but I would like to see more of what I can afford shown in the MR.
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PostPosted: May 02, 2018 07:14    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

the current editing staff of the MR has indeed oriented the periodical towards the higher end collectors - a decision I understand and have no problem with. I just happen to think that IN ADDITION TO THIS, it can and should focus more on the "bread and butter" collectors - especially for the Tucson Shows.

there has been a feeble (my opinion) attempt at this - the HQLP (hi quality low price) section - but it is quite small and doesn't cover much of what i'm talking about at all.

I guess "rocks and minerals" could indeed be a forum for this - but the FMF site for now is the best place for it.

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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 02:46    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

The Tuscon show reports, although welcome, are overwhelming and drown out the other entries on FMF. It may be too complicated an affair, but I would like to see a separate topic column for Tuscon. Anyway, I may be barking up the wrong tree. That is just how I feel.
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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 08:04    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Pierre Joubert wrote:
The Tuscon show reports, although welcome, is also overwhelming and drowns out the other entries on FMF. It may be too a complicated affair, but I would like to see a separate topic column for Tuscon. Anyway, I may be barking up the wrong tree. That is just how I feel.


In my opinion the Tucson show reports are invaluable. How else can you see the displays and various minerals if you cannot make the expensive journey to Arizona in February? I don't think this forum moves so fast that having a flurry of activity surrounding the Tucson show takes anything away from it- rather it adds a great deal of value.
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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 10:35    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Pierre Joubert wrote:
The Tuscon show reports, although welcome, is also overwhelming and drowns out the other entries on FMF. It may be too a complicated affair, but I would like to see a separate topic column for Tuscon. Anyway, I may be barking up the wrong tree. That is just how I feel.


Pierre - so a possible solution would be to publish an issue (of MR or R&M??) that addresses certain sections of the overall show, such as:
1 - findings at early openings
2- the HTCC Show summary including the white house (fine minerals internationsl)
3 - satellite shows (pueblo, elks,etc.)
4 - Westward Look show
5 - presentations and events
6 - the TGMS show including the display cases and saturday night presentations
7 - thoughts and observation

maybe these could be split out into subsections of the Tucson 2018 FMF thread??

anyway, i think you are indirectly arguing for what i am suggesting.

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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 10:49    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

FMF and Mindat are both designed to discuss all things mineralogical and to a degree, geological, as it should be, excluding item value. Topics are categorized, and contained within them are threads relating to a specific discussion. One can choose to read a topic/discussion and in cases, respond, or not. If the major topic of Tucson or other worldwide mineral shows is of no interest, choose not to read the thread.
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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 11:16    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Tony L. Potucek wrote:
FMF and Mindat are both designed to discuss all things mineralogical and to a degree, geological, as it should be, excluding item value. Topics are categorized, and contained within them are threads relating to a specific discussion. One can choose to read a topic/discussion and in cases, respond, or not. If the major topic of Tucson or other worldwide mineral shows is of no interest, choose not to read the thread.


You seem to be missing my point. I also read Tuscon reports. Not all. It is just difficult to find other topics as the Newest Topics box gets crammed.

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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 11:37    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Pierre Joubert wrote:
...You seem to be missing my point. I also read Tuscon reports. Not all. It is just difficult to find other topics as the Newest Topics box gets crammed.

Are you familiar with this option? : Newest topics and users posts (link at the top of the "Newest Topics box" that opens a new page with the different options to see all topics on the way that you prefer)
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PostPosted: May 03, 2018 11:48    Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2018  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
Pierre Joubert wrote:
...You seem to be missing my point. I also read Tuscon reports. Not all. It is just difficult to find other topics as the Newest Topics box gets crammed.

Are you familiar with this option? : Newest topics and users posts (link at the top of the "Newest Topics box" that opens a new page with the different options to see all topics on the way that you prefer)


Yes, I am.

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