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PostPosted: Dec 17, 2011 13:10    Post subject: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Collecting quartz on the eastern edge of the Little Falls dolostone, in December.


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Not much to look at, really.
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30 ton ram setup, helps to loosen things up a bit.
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The pump section. The shims are aluminum as it deforms into the rock rather than slipping. We have 60 and 100 ton models-great help.
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What fun!
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Quartz pocket.
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Some of the find.
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Quartz
Fonda, NY., USA
Largest crystal, 2 cm.
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Anthraxsolite
Fonda, NY., USA
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2012 11:58    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Quartz hunting.


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Use of the hydraulic ram to exploit weaknesses in the dolostone.
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Quartz
Fonda, New York, USA
Some of what was levered out. Fingers for scale.
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Fonda, New York, USA
Some of what was levered out. Fingers for scale.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2012 16:09    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

I love your entry! Love quartz. What an excellent way to break rock.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2012 16:13    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

And to think about 40 years ago, those rams were the state of the art in vehicle crash rescue, now that is a much better use. Love the crystals.
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PostPosted: Aug 01, 2012 20:09    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Pockets in the dolostone yield quartz.


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One of the work areas. The larger pocket zone is low on the face, but many smaller, 10 cm. holes are above. The floor of the bench is the bottom of the formation and is barren.
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Pocket in a just released block.
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Close-up of the 20 cm. vug. In situ, the large quartz grew from the roof of the pocket, the block rests on it's side.
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6 cm. or larger, smoky crystal, still in the wall, growing from the roof.
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Another cluster in the same area. This one is milky.
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Quite a nice smoky, lose and lurking.
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PostPosted: Aug 01, 2012 20:18    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Fantastic Vic, can't wait to see the piece with the large crystal in the vug once the reduction in size has occurred. Please let us know how you accomplish the reduction.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2012 03:09    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

John S. White wrote:
Fantastic Vic, can't wait to see the piece with the large crystal in the vug once the reduction in size has occurred. Please let us know how you accomplish the reduction.


Yes Vic, I am very curious to know how you intend to reduce those rocks to display, what I am sure will be very nice pieces. Could you send us some photos of the process once completed?

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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2012 08:09    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

You have both nailed it. Now what. First thing to do is nothing. Sometimes the act of releasing the blocks from their place of formation allows the dolomite to take a breath and cracks are either induced or enlarged, kind of self trimming to a point. Then diamond chain saws, careful chisel surgery or hydraulic trimming. Pesto!! It breaks right through the best part. Sometimes.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2012 10:38    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Right on, Vic; best results seem to be to sit back and check the specimens visually for a while, before deciding on a point of attack for such quartz pockets.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2012 15:11    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Great report, Vic!
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PostPosted: Aug 03, 2012 10:32    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

A very useful tool for the field collector. The threaded adjustment allows for great flexibility, 0 to 18 cm. between anvils. Chinese made and rather stout, just turning the hand wheel sometimes is all that is needed for a trim, and the force of the hydraulics has scared me. I got this one from Dennis Beals and it has served me well.


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The trimmer frame is about 40 cm. high by 35 cm. wide.
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A fruitful trim (or lucky). The quartz is about 6 cm. high.
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PostPosted: Aug 26, 2012 08:47    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

More from the mine.


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The crystals went that way.
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15 cm. quartz on dolostone, freshly mined with a quick cleaning.
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12 cm. quartz with a smaller friend, rests on an eatched calcite crystal and quartz druze.
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PostPosted: Aug 26, 2012 09:05    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Those quartzes exhibit a really strange habit Vic. What a neat find.
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PostPosted: Sep 04, 2012 17:53    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

For a while now, off and on, we've found some rather odd floater quartz crystals at the site. This one qualifies as the oddest. After showing it to John White, I thought I'd have a good image taken to share with the forum. These fine shot's were taken by Jeff Scovil, at the East Coast show, far better than anything I could take, and much more informative than trying to explain an inferior photo. I would be interested in what you folks think might be the process that produced this form. Much of the quartz we find is associated with anthraxolite, a compact hydrocarbon that was present with the silicified fluids that grew the quartz. Many of the crystals found are the classic Herkimer form, no point of attachment, but this one is really something else. It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever seen another crystal of any species with a similar form. We have found a few of these. This, the best so far. I look forward to your input, and thanks for viewing.


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Fonda, New York, USA
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Fonda, New York, USA
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Fonda, New York, USA
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PostPosted: Sep 05, 2012 00:45    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

vic rzonca wrote:
For a while now, off and on, we've found some rather odd floater quartz crystals at the site. This one qualifies as the oddest. After showing it to John White, I thought I'd have a good image taken to share with the forum. These fine shot's were taken by Jeff Scovil, at the East Coast show, far better than anything I could take, and much more informative than trying to explain an inferior photo. I would be interested in what you folks think might be the process that produced this form. Much of the quartz we find is associated with anthraxolite, a compact hydrocarbon that was present with the silicified fluids that grew the quartz. Many of the crystals found are the classic Herkimer form, no point of attachment, but this one is really something else. It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever seen another crystal of any species with a similar form. We have found a few of these. This, the best so far. I look forward to your input, and thanks for viewing.


Most unusual! I have never seen anything like that before.

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PostPosted: Sep 05, 2012 08:02    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Hi Vic and hi to everybody!
The last one you show is a very nice crystal! Inclusions should be very beautiful! If you have the possibility of showing us any photo about, don't hesitate to let us see it!
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PostPosted: Sep 05, 2012 10:10    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Is a lovely specimen Vic, please publish it also in the A mineralogical trip through the states of USA - New York section, it will be a great addition for the New York state!
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PostPosted: Dec 03, 2012 23:42    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

A few from the bench.


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Fonda, New York, USA
A 14 cm. main crystal with a bit of dolostone matrix. Collected this season.
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Fonda, New York, USA
6 cm. quartz with a fracture induced rainbow.
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Fonda, New York, USA
6 cm. complex smokey crystal
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PostPosted: Dec 04, 2012 02:32    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Nice find Vic! I especially like IMG_0750.JPG.
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PostPosted: Dec 05, 2012 08:43    Post subject: Re: Collecting quartz on the Little Falls dolostone  

Work on the bench.


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30 tons of hydraulic push exploit an eroded area.
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Aluminum blocks allow flexibility at the jack point, as the jack has only a 4 inch lift.
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8 cm. quartz in a small pocket.
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Druzy quartz, the other part of the pocket.
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A tidy work place will soon be a mess.
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Part of a old stone wall at the site. Moss seems to love the dolostone.
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The moss was fat and happy on this December day, with late afternoon sun, waiting on the first snow.
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