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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 06:11 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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I am back in Alaska and have finally got to the point where i can put more picts up.
First up are the MAD and HAMS cases (Texas seems like a great place to be if you are a mineral enthusiast).
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 06:22 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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First is another pict of the large fluorite that came out of the Rogerly and then picts of some interesting specimens from the Collectors Edge booth.
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 06:34 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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The Proctor cases.
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 06:43 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Wayne Sorensen's case.
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Pierre Joubert
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 07:43 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Thanks for the photos Matt. Stunning specimens!
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vic rzonca
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 12:36 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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The show coverage on this site is fantastic. Here are my two cents.
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Excellent examples of the scepter. |
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Some say it was an asteriod strike and some say it was climate change. Personally I think it was the bubble wrap. |
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Two of the crack parking lot staff at the Tucson City Center Hotel (formerly the Inn Suites). |
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Peter Van Hout
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 13:56 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Thank you Matt, Jordi and all the others for giving us here in Europe an idea of what the Tucson show must be to experience it in real.
What I saw on the pics looked most of the time really great but what I saw on the price tags of most of the pieces looks not realistic anymore, and frightens my to.
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John S. White
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 15:01 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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I agree that the prices have climbed to unrealistic heights just since last year. It seems that most of the major dealers have all gotten together and decided to add more zeros to last year's prices, which were already extreme. As Jordi has written, even mediocre pieces now have prices that we would expect to see only on exceptional ones, and there were lots and lots of mediocre pieces with unbelievable prices. It is difficult to believe that many dealers sold many pieces at these prices. I call them "fantasy prices." The discounts to knowledgeable buyers who would never pay these fantasy prices must have been major, while novice buyers may have paid full price. Will they one day wake up and be so upset that they will never buy again? One has to believe this will be the case.
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Joaquin Montoro
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 15:59 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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I totally agree with you John.
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vic rzonca
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Posted: Feb 26, 2013 17:18 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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To John's comment about "fantasy prices", it's common to ask if this price is "keystone", meaning the sale price is half the marked price. Perhaps as customers we can begin asking "Is this the fantasy price?", and go on from there?
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1000 lb. bags of tumbled stones. |
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1000 lb. box of rock. The tonnage that comes into Tucson is amazing. A five man crew packed 45,000 lbs. of mostly specimens and large amethyst in three days and sent them back east inter-modal. Personal experience. There are thousands of dealers at the show. The effort is awesome. |
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Alishad
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 00:23 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Excellent, superb and magnificent work. I love it.
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Gail
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 00:36 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Oh look at this one of Vic...our resident crack parking emperor.
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_________________ Minerals you say? Why yes, I'll take a dozen or so... |
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 01:47 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Next are two pictures of the Hoppel Collection case and eight picts from a case I can't identify.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 02:01 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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Two more picts of the poster rock and five picts from the Tellus case.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 02:17 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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I did not do a good job of documenting who presented each case - sorry - so what follows is:
* Five picts from a case with what look like are typed labels.
* Six picts from the Kielbaso Case.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 02:33 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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* Three picts of the Alain Martaud case.
* Four picts from the UA case.
* Three picts from the Arizona Historical Society case (isn't it great that a state historical society has a mineral collection).
* The picts from a case i can't identify.
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 02:52 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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* Five picts from the thumbnail case. The last two Tucsons have taught me that thumbnails can be very cool, aesthetic, and informative. In this year's thumbnail displays was a Gunnel collection with labeled faces -very cool!
*Six picts of fluorite specimens from Socorro Co, NM. I did not know that the Blanchard Mine produced so many different colors and styles of fluorite!
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Matt_Zukowski
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 03:05 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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My last set of pictures includes:
*five pictures from the Harvard case.
*Only one pict of the Spirifer case.
FYI - all my picts this year were taken with an i phone 4S and the camera app called Camera Awesome. I use Camera Awesome because it adds digital stabilization and more control over the focus point.
I realize now that there were probably large parts of the main show that i just didn't get to this year. With this comment i am amplifying what many others have said about Tucson: There is so much of it that you can't see everything worthwhile, so just relax and see what you can.
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John S. White
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 05:47 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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To return to the subject of mineral prices at this year's show, I am reminded of a conversation I had with a dealer many years ago. I was told that if they set prices at double their cost they could not stay in business. Fair enough. But 10 or more times their cost? This seems excessive and very definitely not good for the hobby. How can we expect to attract new collectors when they look at these prices and realize that there is no future for them in the hobby when anything that is at all desirable is not affordable?
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Jordi Fabre
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Posted: Feb 27, 2013 06:07 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2013 |
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John S. White wrote: | ...if they set prices at double their cost they could not stay in business... |
This is not true, double allows one to stay in business satisfactorily. In fact many dealers I know don't double, they use even less percentage than double and they are still on life... ;-)
In the past, with a very low number of sales, this fact could be true but today, with a much higher number of sales, double is much more than satisfactory.
It is true too that, exceptionally, SOME special specimens could be priced for much more than double because originally they were "bargains" or "sleepers", but not a frequent thing.
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