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PostPosted: Dec 17, 2009 21:49    Post subject: Blue garnet  

Today a friend told me about a blue garnet that she had seen on a TV program or something, that was discovered in the ocean somewhere. Does anyone have any information or pictures of this type of garnet? Thanks.

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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 14:19    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Maybe you mean the "rainbow" Andradites from Kohse mine, Tenkawa, Nara, Honshu Island, Japan? -> http://www.mindat.org/photosearch.php?frm_id=mls&cform_is_valid=1&minname=andradite&cf_mls_page=1&region=tenkawa&sort=&submit_mls=Search

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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 14:36    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Hard to find these garnets, and often ugly and little.
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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 15:20    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

There are also irridescent/opaline garnets from near Alamos in southern Sonora. These have a layer of water trapped in the crystal structure, which breaks up the light very much like a fire agate because the garnet is brown. This is a skarn system so they're probably an andradite-grossular composition.

They get to decent size...crystals to 2 cm and 5-10 ct stones are commonly available. I think I have seen that they were for sale on QVC.

There are also some spectacular 'stalactites" of these garnets...but without the fire. It looks like they formed along ribs in the skarn so when broken free they are elongate rods studded with crystal faces...but do have a contact along one side of the rod. Some of these are studded with gemmy transparent perfect dodecahedral crystals 3-4mm across....with a pumpkin orange color...killer micros!

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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 17:52    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Hmmmm. None of those really look too much like her description. I've found images of "Bekily color change garnet" on google. They're supposedly from Bekily, Madagascar and can be blue/purple depending on the lighting. I can't find formal mineralogical info or photos of these garnets in the rough. This might be what she was referring to, though.
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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 18:53    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Look for color change or color shift garnet - there is one that goes to a purple - blue!
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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2009 18:56    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

robynahawk wrote:
Look for color change or color shift garnet - there is one that goes to a purple - blue!

Yep - that's what I thought - check out Richard Wise's answer here:
http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=17226
(enlace normalizado por FMF)

He may have photos - he is VERY approachable...

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PostPosted: Dec 19, 2009 09:45    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Traditionally said that the garnets are presented in all colors less the blue but as Lapis International in its number 11 devoted to garnet page 4 in 1990s appeared garnets blue in Bekily (Madagascar). However i have not yet seen despite having many garnets in my collection.
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PostPosted: Dec 22, 2009 22:53    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Turbo wrote:
They're supposedly from Bekily, Madagascar and can be blue/purple depending on the lighting. I can't find formal mineralogical info or photos of these garnets in the rough.


I have only seen broken crystals with a few faces intact, but Prof. Henry Hänni has a non-colorchange faceted blue garnet in his collection; a pyrope-spessartine with a distinct vanadium content (V2O3 1.60 wt %) and for which he sent me the following information: calculated end-member mol%: pyrope 39.30%, spessartite 39.50%, almandine 1.40%, uvarovite 1.10%, goldmanite 4.90%, grossular 13.80% (H. Hänni, personal comm, 2008). He also sent a picture a while ago - I am not sure if he would appreciate me uploading it onto forum, but if you Googled blue garnet, you probably ran into the image on one of my chronically unfinished webpages - it is quite blue.

You might also like to read these papers as background: Krzemnicki, M.S., Hänni, H.A. and Reusser, E. (2001) Colour-change garnets from Madagascar: comparison of colorimetric with chemical data. Journal of Gemmology, Vol. 27, 7, pp. 395-408.

Schmetzer, K., and Otteman, J., (1979) Kristallchemie und farbe vandnadium-haltinger granate. Neus Jahrbuch für Mineralogie, Abhandlungen, 136 (2), 147-64.

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PostPosted: Dec 23, 2009 07:58    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Thanks! This is great!

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PostPosted: Dec 26, 2009 15:15    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Hello
Pictures of a garnet with a color change from Madagascar.
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PostPosted: Dec 26, 2009 16:45    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

MGR wrote:
Hello
Pictures of a garnet with a color change from Madagascar.
Gilbert Valero


Gilbert, that is a dramatic color shift! Very beautiful in the rough too. Because of all their varieties, I think garnet is one of the most tantalizing gemstones. Thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Dec 27, 2009 00:19    Post subject: Re: Blue garnet  

Hello
Garnet is the rough that I preferred many
colors
A good IR and affordable.
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color palette found in the south change color
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