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PostPosted: Jul 28, 2017 13:31    Post subject: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

There are (at least) two fluorite museums in the Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District:

Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum, Marion Kentucky
https://www.clementmineralmuseum.org/
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American Fluorite Museum, Rosiclare, IL


It’s easy and worthwhile to visit both in a single day. They are a short distance apart (60 min, 27 miles), separated by road and a ferry ride across the Ohio River. The Clements Museum has best displays of the two.

The former had a good selection of specimens for sale in museum shop. The latter had a much more limited selection in museum shop but good specimens were available in the local community.

I will post pictures from both of the museums in separate threads and acquired specimens under my collection section.



BCMM, Ben Clements Mineral Museum.JPG
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BCMM, Hall.JPG
 Description:
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BCMM, Fluorite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Some details for this specimen on next picture.
 Viewed:  23727 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (3).JPG
 Description:
Label with previous specimen.
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BCMM, Fluorite (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23674 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (5).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Following label provides some details for this specimen.
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BCMM, Fluorite (6).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Label provides some details for previous specimen.
 Viewed:  23732 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite, Barite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Barite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23683 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite, Barite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Barite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23758 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (19).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23686 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (20).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23745 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (5).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23720 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Apology for pricing, but the specimen is worth seeing.
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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (4).JPG


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PostPosted: Jul 28, 2017 20:31    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Very nice pictures. My wife and I had a very nice tour of the museum today. If you have the opportunity to visit this fine Museum please support it any way you can. Not surprising they have a shoe string budget.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 11:15    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Good point about the shoestring budget for many of these museums. It was subject in all the small ones visited recently. Some have good shops to assist. The specimens for sale in Clements Museum were great & I post some pictures of them. The American Fluorite Museum (Rosiclare) appears to be really struggling now as shown in newspaper articles this year.

I attach some more pictures of specimens.



BCMM, Fluorite (16).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23528 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (16).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (7).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected c. 1950
 Viewed:  23570 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (7).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (6).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23513 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (6).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
The block behind indicates size of this specimen.
 Viewed:  23539 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23557 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (47).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected late 1050s-early 1960s.
 Viewed:  23575 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (47).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (48).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23517 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (48).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (49).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23531 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (49).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (4).JPG
 Mineral: Calcite, Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected c. 1950s.
 Viewed:  23571 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (4).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (43).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Weighs approx. 200 pounds. Note single cube of galena on top of the specimen. Collected c. 1960s.
 Viewed:  23629 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (37).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Note - the hands-on label!- sample dimensions from person sitting behind.
 Viewed:  23546 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (18).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Found on dump pile of mine ore in 1933 BABB/Crittenden Co., KY.
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BCMM, Fluorite (29).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
I had to throw in at least one of these 'aqua blue' fluorites. I was fortunate to obtain one of these during travels.
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BCMM, Bag - Hastie.JPG
 Description:
A reminder of the end fate for most fluorite. It is an industrial product after all.
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BCMM, Bag - Hastie.JPG


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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 15:33    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

In 1983, shortly after Ben Clement's death, his son Ed was marketing the collection now housed in the Clement Museum for sale. I believe the price was $10,000, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Hearing that he also had some Franklin, NJ material for sale, I went to visit Ed in Kentucky and bought a few nice fluorescents and an odd piece of colorless, transparent fluorite and possible holdenite coating ore from Sterling Hill. Luckily, I didn't have $10K at the time, and most collectors didn't value US fluorite nearly as highly as they do now. This probably saved the collection from being dispersed. I still treasure and display the pieces I bought, and remember Ed Clement as a fine gentleman devoted to his father's memory.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 16:57    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

I have been to both museums twice. They are small, but nice and worth seeing especially because they are in, and part of, the Illinois - Kentucky fluorspar district. If you go, starting with either one, take the auto ferry across the Ohio River to see the other. The Ben Clement museum sponsors a dig at the Kentucky Eureka Prospect; I think it is in October. You will find middling quality pieces on that dig. I field collected on the Illinois side in 1998 thru about 2004. At that time you could still find nice middling quality stuff in the dumps and lining the parking lots of the Harris Creek district, North of Cave-in-Rock, Il.
See my pix collecting there in about 2004.

While the museum specimens are quite nice in both places, few examples are truly world class. One interesting note that I made was that the Kentucky fluorite, making up the majority of the Clement Museum examples was mostly the common dark purple cubes type with few examples of other colors or habits.
Ross Lillie was the Ozark-Mahoning company geologist in the last years of operation of the Harris Creek District in Illinois and amassed a world class collection from the miners. If his collection had been donated or sold as a lot to either museum it would have outclassed their specimens by a lot, but his collection was largely broken up and sold off. BOB



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 Locality:
Annabel Lee Mine, Harris Creek Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Field collecting near the Annabel Lee Mine head frame. About March 2004
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On the shores of the Ohio River, Hardin County Illinois about March 2004
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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2017 00:37    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

A few more specimens.


BCMM, Fluorite (21).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23197 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (21).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (22).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23184 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (22).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (23).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Fairview Mine, Blue Diggings Fault, Rosiclare, Rosiclare Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23213 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (23).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (26).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23170 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (26).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (30).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Babb-Guill Mine, Babb Fault System, Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Livingston County, Kentucky, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23209 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (30).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (35).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Rose Hill Mine, Hicks Dome, Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23272 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (35).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (39).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Spar Mountain Area, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23213 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (39).JPG



BCCM, Fluorite Colors (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23149 Time(s)

BCCM, Fluorite Colors (3).JPG



BCCM, Fluorite Colors.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23169 Time(s)

BCCM, Fluorite Colors.JPG



BCMM, 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23150 Time(s)

BCMM, 4 sale.JPG



BCCM, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Baryte
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23187 Time(s)

BCCM, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite, Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23230 Time(s)

BCMM, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, fluorescent (2).JPG
 Description:
Fluorescent mineral display.
 Viewed:  23157 Time(s)

BCMM, fluorescent (2).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (11).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23166 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 00:48    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Seems very few deep blue flourite produced in IL?!
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 10:40    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

The Minerva #1 mine was famous for blue fluorite and produced some very nice specimens in the 1980s and early 1990s. I would call the color "sky-blue" rather than "deep blue," however.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 11:43    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

As I previously noted, the Kentucky fluorite deposits were about 90% common dark purple cubes. The remaining small percentage were shades of purple and yellow in color.

The Illinois fluorite deposits, especially the Cave-in-Rock area including the Harris Creek District's 3 mines were quite variable in color. Shades of purple, blue, lavender, and several shades of yellow along with multiple colors in many cubes and specimens all were found. In general, the Illinois specimens were much more colorful than the Kentucky examples.

It also should be noted that there is still much ore in the ground. The mining rights are still owned by several local companies. If fluorite and ore prices again rise, mining might resume. One or two collector specimen mining concerns have, over the last few years or so, expressed interest in specimen mining in the district. The rising high prices for better collector specimens has spurred interest in this, but if many more collector specimens were to be found, high end prices might take a hit. BOB
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 15:45    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

More specimen, other pictures.

Re more ore in the ground and specimens. One of the companies mining for aggregate kin the area is stripping above one of the mines. This stripping apparently continues down into remaining pillars for fluorite mines and may expose some areas for collecting. They apparently have some specimens for sale, however, I did not have time to investigate further into quality or availability.



BCMM, Fluorite (34).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23035 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (34).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (41).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22964 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (41).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (42).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22966 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (42).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23000 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group (4).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22994 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group (3).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (14).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22978 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (14).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (15).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22981 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (15).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (17).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22977 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (17).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23013 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  23001 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (2).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Sphalerite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Sphalerite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22996 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Sphalerite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22963 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22994 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (3).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite, Galena.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite, Galena
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
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PostPosted: Aug 05, 2017 13:04    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

A few more specimens & that's it for my recent trip pictures of this museum.


BCMM, Tri-State, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
 Viewed:  22834 Time(s)

BCMM, Tri-State, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, calcite 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
Purchased from Boodle Lane Collection. In museum shop.
 Viewed:  22811 Time(s)

BCMM, calcite 4 sale.JPG



BCMM, Galena, Sphalerite, Dolomite, Marcasite.JPG
 Mineral: Galena, Sphalerite, Marcasite, Dolomite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
 Viewed:  22826 Time(s)

BCMM, Galena, Sphalerite, Dolomite, Marcasite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (36).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Elmwood Mine, Carthage, Central Tennessee Ba-F-Pb-Zn District, Smith County, Tennessee, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  22796 Time(s)

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 Mineral: Dioptase
 Locality:
Tsumeb Mine, Tsumeb, Otjikoto Region, Namibia
 Description:
Mislabelled location in museum. An occasional occurrence. Worth mention to staff and sometimes they care.
 Viewed:  22817 Time(s)

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BCMM, Mining Tools.JPG
 Description:
Tools from the district.
 Viewed:  22799 Time(s)

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 Description:
Mining tools.
 Viewed:  22783 Time(s)

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BCMM, Splitters.JPG
 Description:
Mining - processing lab tools.
 Viewed:  22800 Time(s)

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BCMM, Processing.JPG
 Description:
Grinding media from processing plant. Appreciate the description as 'Ball Mill crusher'.
 Viewed:  22808 Time(s)

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