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A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria
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PostPosted: Jan 18, 2017 12:49    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Jesse, your fluorite is not from Marienschacht mine, I think. The old label says "Wölzenburg", that should mean Wölsenberg, a small village near Wölsendorf. In that area there were some very old mines, most of these closed during the 19th century.


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 Mineral: Graphite
 Locality:
Citronenhaus marble Quarry, Sinatengrün, Wunsiedel, Wunsiedel im Fichtelgebirge, Oberfranken, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 8 x 7 cm
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A classic graphite specimen from the marble deposits around Wunsiedel.
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PostPosted: Apr 16, 2017 18:42    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

A type locality specimen.

The world famous locality of Hagendorf has the honor to be the type locality for the Phosphophyllite.



Phosphophyllite - Hagendorf_Waidhaus_Oberpfälzer Wald_Upper Palatinate-Oberpfalz_Bavaria-Bayern_Germany.jpg
 Mineral: Phosphophyllite
 Locality:
Hagendorf, Waidhaus, Oberpfälzer Wald, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: Main crystal size: 0.2 × 0.1 cm
 Description:
Former collection of Folch duplicates.
Type locality for the species.
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PostPosted: Apr 17, 2017 01:18    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
The world famous locality of Hagendorf has the honor to be the type locality for the Phosphophyllite.
... And the honor of being type locality for about 20 (!) other minerals :-)
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PostPosted: May 07, 2017 13:06    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Bavaria has some nice rarities .......


Churchit-Y Maffei Mine, Nitzlbuch, Oberpfalz, Bayern BRD BB 22 mm IMG_8413 fc.jpg
 Mineral: Churchite
 Locality:
Maffei Mine (Nitzelbuch Mine), Nitzlbuch, Auerbach in der Oberpfalz, Amberg-Sulzbach, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: FOV 22 mm
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PostPosted: Sep 26, 2018 12:08    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

The Cacilia Mine in the Wolsendorf area is famously known for a find of highly distorted fluorite crystals in 1963. These are referred to as "scalenohedral" or the (731) form for the miller indices of the best developed faces. An article on these fluorite crystals was published in Lapis in 1981 (Preuss, E., "Fluorit - Skalenoedrische Flußspat-Kristalle mit {731} von Wölsendorf und Zschopau" Lapis 6, Heft 1 S.9-14, München 1981). In German, of course!


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 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cäcilia Mine, Freiung, Stulln, Wölsendorf West District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 5x5x4 cm overall size
 Description:
"Scalenohedral" fluorite crystal from Cacilia Mine, near Stulln, Wolsendorf Fluorite Mining District.
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 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cäcilia Mine, Freiung, Stulln, Wölsendorf West District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: crystal is 3 cm across
 Description:
Crystal from the Cacilia Mine, Wolsendorf, with faces labeled to show the (731) form.
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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2018 03:45    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

A famous oddity from Germany, Jesse. But "real" scalenohedrons (actually crystals that have a scalenohedron-like shape) were extremely rare there, most of the unusual looking fluorite crystals from this mine are just etched. The Marburg Museum has a ~ 25-30 cm specimen from there:


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 Mineral: Fluorite, Barite
 Locality:
Cäcilia Mine, Freiung, Stulln, Wölsendorf West District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 25-30 cm
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PostPosted: Jan 13, 2019 12:04    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

A nice little penetration twin fluorite from Wölsendorf.


Wolsendorf-9979.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Wölsendorf Mining District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 5x4x2 cm overall size
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PostPosted: Oct 13, 2019 11:52    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Another specimen from Wolsendorf


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 Mineral: Fluorite with Barite
 Locality:
Wölsendorf Mining District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 12x7x4 cm overall size
 Description:
Possibly Grube Marienschact?
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2019 03:13    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Jesse Fisher wrote:
Another specimen from Wolsendorf
Possibly Grube Marienschacht?
Hi Jesse, very beautiful specimen!!!

These kind of fluorite with reddish inclusions and associated with baryte crystals of that shape is most likely from Grube Erika (Erika Mine): https://www.mindat.org/loc-14989.html

You can see there are very similar specimens from that mine:

- https://www.mindat.org/photo-878647.html
- https://www.mindat.org/photo-680268.html

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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2019 08:45    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Thank you for this information, Tobi. The dealer I got the specimen from said it was Grube Marienschact, but an old collection label just said "Wolsendorf." As the dealer was not German, I did not have total trust in his label. Unfortunately, no one has given any information about Grube Erika on Mindat. Can you tell me anything about when the mine was active and when the specimen may have been found?
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2019 11:56    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

I think writing "Marienschacht" on Wölsendorf labels was a common practice because this mine was the most famous of that area because of its Honigspat occurences. As I said before, your specimen really looks like like from Erika Mine, I have never seen such ones from Marienschacht, so not fully trusting the label was the right intuition ;-)

Concerning the Erika Mine, fluorite mining started there in the late 1920s, it was named "Grube Erika" in 1931. It was an active mine from the 1930s to the late 1960s and closed in 1973. I have no information when these reddish fluorites with baryte were found, sorry :-(

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PostPosted: Jun 04, 2022 04:45    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

No question that my new fluorite collection centerpiece ( https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=78692#78692 ) has to be mentioned here:


Woelsi1.jpg
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Wölsendorf Mining District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: Specimen size 25 x 21 cm, largest crystal 5 cm
 Description:
Well-defined orange-brown cubes of "honey-spar" fluorite from the classic Wölsendorf area.
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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2023 14:48    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Bayern - Bavaria  

Fluorite with dolomite and minor galena, from an unknown mine in the Wolsendorf area.


Wolsendorf-7672r.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Dolomite, Galena
 Locality:
Wölsendorf Mining District, Upper Palatinate/Oberpfalz, Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
 Dimensions: 9x5x3 cm overall size.
 Description:
Former collection of Josef (Sepp) Rastl.
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