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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 09:41    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

James wrote:
To which I would add La Collada, Spain (especially Josefa Veneros)...

Carles Millan published recently a fine "classic" specimen from there, I copied the photo below. The link to see it is -> http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=7405#7405



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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 09:54    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

I remember this specimen - wasn't it the one which Dave Wilbur would have thrown into the garbage can? ;-)

And concerning the purpose of this thread: I think we should do both discuss our favourite fluorite localities and try to make some kind of top ten ranking. Pete, you mentioned Riemvasmaak in South Africa. I agree - absolutely beautiful.
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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 10:10    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
...and I also suggest to vote 5 localities in order of priority,...

I was trying to think of five favs, but then I saw little fluorites from about thirty different locations march up towards my microscope all waving red flags and singing something and shouting internationalist slogans...

I'll bet it's that Xianghuapu one who distributed all those red flags ;-)

Kidding aside - interesting fluorites have also come from:
Crich Cliff Quarry, Crich, Derbyshire, England
Mina Jaimina, Caravia, Asturias, Spain (tetrahexahedral forms)
Weißeck, (near) Riedingsee, Salzburg, Austria
Hirschwald, Gasteiner Tal, Salzburg, Austria
Arteixo, La Coruña, Galicia, Spain
Nasik, Maharashtra, India
Is Murvonis, Carbonia-Iglesias, Sardegna, Italy
(in no particular order) and many more...



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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 10:44    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Here's a reason why i love fluorites from Dal'negorsk:

(From a German private collection, i took this photo at the fluorite special exhibition in the Marburg mineral museum, each crystal is about 3 cm.)



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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 10:48    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Tobias Martin wrote:
I remember this specimen - wasn't it the one which Dave Wilbur would have thrown into the garbage can? ;-)


Absolutely!

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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 11:02    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Gerhard Niklasch wrote:
Fluorite, Xianghuapu, Chenzhou, HuNan CN (Ok so I need to take a better picture of you... on my long to-do list...)


Don't be too optimistic! I had to sweat for a couple of hours to get a decent picture of a very similar specimen from the same locality. And the result was rather poor.

http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=6402#6402

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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 13:22    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Hi all,

Jordi has suggested me moderating and organizing a bit this interesting thread. I have accepted. I'm sure it will be very interesting because in my opinion fluorites have its own world inside mineral world. Who hasn't been attracted by them?

I am only an amateur so I will need lots of help, especially from Tobias, who posted about it first. Following Jordi's wise advice I'm going to sum up all the localities you have already posted (this will be done tonight I hope). After that we will open a period of time for adding comments - the more posts the better- and of course other localities and photos.

Afterwards we can vote our favorites localities scoring from 1 to 5 (better via pm). But don't worry at the moment. We will have time to explain it widely.

Thank all and welcome to the opening -already opened- fluorite spot on FMF.

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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 14:29    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

How can one possibly vote on the "best" locations, when there is such variety both in specimens and in geographic locations. What is "best"? Each of us will come with our own biases and favorites. It seems meaningless to me.
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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 14:57    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Joan,
you may be right ... but everyone who loves fluos has his/her own favourite specimens and so also the according locales ...

Based on my personal collection my TOP 5 is:

1 Rogerley mine
2 Mahodari, Nasik, India
3 Erongo Mts, Namibia
4 Yaogangxian Mine, China
5 Okoruso Mine, namibia

I could go on with this list for hours but i decided these to be my favourite specimens with according locs....

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P.S. ok ... from 6 to 10 also ;-)

6 10000 Ritter Mine, Saxony
7 Xianghuaupu Mine, China
8 Berbes, Asturias
9 Elmwood, TN and Illinois Fluorspar district (ok, thats 2 and more)
10 Blanchard Mine, AZ



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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 18:49    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

My favorite locality is whatever one produced the piece the Spann's had in the lower right of their 2009 WL Tucson case. It was a Cave-in-Rock locality.
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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 18:59    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

The list so far:

EUROPE

United Kingdom

1. Weardale, North Pennines, Durham (including Rogerley, Boltsburn Mine, Heights Mine, Blue Circle Cement Quarry)
2. Rotherhope Fell Mine, North Pennines,Cumbria
3. Hilton Mine, Scordale, North Pennines, Cumbria
4. Castleton, Derbyshire
5. Crich Quarry, Crich, Derbyshire

Germany

6. Freiberg, Saxony
7. Wölsendorf, Bavaria
8. Clara Mine, Baden-Württemberg
9. Rottleberode, Stolberg, Harz Mts, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany
10. Zehntausend Ritter Mine, Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany

Switzerland

11. Zingenstock-Gerstenegg-Sommerloch (no fluorites here on Mindat)
12. Planggenstock Mt., Göscheneralp, Göschenen Valley, Uri, Switzerland

Italy

13. Is Murvonis Mine, Domusnovas, Carbonia-Iglesias Province, Sardinia, Italy

France

14. Le Burg
15. Mont Blanc, French Alps

Spain

16. La Collada Mine, La Collada area, Siero, Asturias
17. Berbes Mine, Berbes Mining area, Ribadesella, Asturias
18. Mina Jaimina, Caravia, Ribadesella, Asturies
19. Emilio Mine, El Fito, Loroñe, Villaviciosa, Asturias
20. Arteixo, A Coruña (La Coruña)

Sweden

21. Malmberget, Gällivare, Lappland

Norway

22. Kongsberg silver Mines, Buskerud Fylke

Austria

23. Weißeck Mt. (incl. Rauchkopf Mt.; Rieding lake; Riedingscharte), Murwinkel, Lungau, Salzburg
24. Hirschau quarry, Böckstein, Gastein valley, Hohe Tauern Mts, Salzburg, Austria

AMERICA

25. Blanchard Mine, New Mexico
26. Fluorspar district, Illinois (Denton, Minerva #1, Annabel Lee, Cave in Rock)
27. Elmwood mine, Carthage, Tennessee
28. Hardin County, Illinois
29. Pine Canyon Deposit, West Burro Mts, Burro Mountains District, Grant Co., New Mexico

MEXICO

30. Naica, Chihuahua

PERU

31. Huanzala Mine

AFRICA

Namibia

32. Okorusu Mine (Okarusu Mine), Otjiwarongo District, Otjozondjupa Region
33. Erongo Mts.

Morocco

34. El Hammam Mine, Mount Hammam, Meknès, Meknès Prefecture, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
35. Erfoud, Er Rachidia Province, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
36. Tounfit, Boumia, Khénifra Province, Meknès-Tafilalet Region

South Africa

37. Riemvasmaak, Kakamas District, Northern Cape Province

ASIA

Pakistan

38. Nagar, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas
39. Chumar Bakhoor, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas

China

40. Shangbao Pyrite mine, Leiyang Co., Hengyang Prefecture, Hunan Province
41. Yaogangxian Mine, Yizhang Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province
42. Xianghualing Mine, Xianghualing Sn-polymetallic ore field, Linwu Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province
43. Xianghuapu Mine (Maiwan Mine), Xianghualing Sn-polymetallic ore field, Linwu Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province

India

44. Mahodari, Nasik District, Maharashtra

Japan

45. Obira mine, Ono-gun, Oita prefecture, Kyushu Island

Russia

46. Dal'negorsk, Primorskiy Kray, Far-Eastern Region


To Pete M. and those who have given a negative opinion about a future vote: I thing the most important thing is to comment the topic, interchange ideas on fluorites, sharing photos and discussing opposite points of view. The vote is only an addition, a way to make the topic more dynamic. Let’s talk about fluorites. Give the reasons –both scientific or aesthetic- for your passion. Then we can vote if we think it necessary or we are impelled by curiosity.

I strongly encourage you to upload your own photos –I have seen some of you have already fluorite pictures on mindat-.

Tomorrow I’m adding two of my favourite localities for the fluos not mentioned above. Please, report possible mistakes.

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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2009 20:05    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Hello Antonio,

To simplify things a bit, the first three entries for the UK should perhaps all be one entry such as "the North Pennines Orefield." All the mines mentioned are part of this geological province. The difference between Durham and Cumbria is simply an arbitrary political boundary that cuts through the middle of the orefield. There are also some good locations in Northumberland, the county to the north of Durham.

The most prolific specimen-producing mines of the region include the Rogerley, Heights, Cambokeels, Eastgate (Blue Circle) Cement Quarry, Blackdene, Boltsburn, and Frazer's Hush in Durham/Weardale, Allenheads and St. Peter's in Northumberland, and Rotherhope Fell and Hilton in Cumbria. A complete list could include many more. If one is to pick a single mine to represent the North Pennines I would vote for the Boltsburn because the quantity and quality of what was found far surpasses all others.

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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 01:44    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Let me add one more locality: Tule Mine, Melchor Múzquiz, Coahuila, Mexico. Photo added.

I also added photos of one Fluorite from Tounfit (Tounfite), Boumia, Morocco and another from Elmwood Mine, both already listed.



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Tule Mine, Melchor Múzquiz, Coahuila, Mexico
Specimen size: 7.7 × 5.6 × 4.8 cm = 3.0” × 2.2” × 1.9”
Main crystal size: 2.5 × 2.2 cm = 1.0” × 0.9”
Photo: Reference Specimens -> http://www.fabreminerals.com/specimens/RSMEC-north-america-notable-specimens.php#TF56L5
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Fluorite with minor Calcite
Tounfit (Tounfite), Boumia, Morocco
Mined in 2006
Specimen size: 8.1 × 6.8 × 2.6 cm = 3.2” × 2.7” × 1.0”
Main crystal size: 2.1 × 2 cm = 0.8” × 0.8”
Calcite fluorescent long & short UV
Photo: Reference Specimens -> http://www.fabreminerals.com/specimens/SHQ-reference-fine-minerals.php#EH88H6
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Elmwood Mine, Carthage, Smith County, Tennessee, USA
Mined about 1993
Specimen size: 4.9 × 4.6 × 3 cm = 1.9” × 1.8” × 1.2”
Main crystal size: 1.7 × 1.2 cm = 0.7” × 0.5”
Minor fluorescence long & short UV
Former Jan Buma collection.
Photo: Reference Specimens -> http://www.fabreminerals.com/specimens/RSBUM-buma-notable-specimens.php#FM6F7
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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 03:49    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Antonio Alcaide wrote:
38. Nagar, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas
39. Chumar Bakhoor, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas

I think Nagar and Chumar Bakhoor should not be separated. The first is rather an area that takes the name from the nearby town, the second being among others a prolific deposit inside that area. For more details you may want to look up this map http://carlesmillan.cat/min/PakistanNA.jpg (please go to the upper left corner; Nagir is an alternative spelling of Nagar).

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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 09:08    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Jordi got the next Mexican locale I thought to add to the list. While I agree that selecting the top five fluorite localities may be fraught with uncertaintity and rancorous debate, this exercise is a fun one because we will end up with a comprehensive list of the top fluorite specimen producing locales.

I would also add the New Hampshire locality and we are fast approaching needing to add the Oatman, Arizona fluorite locality. Also, the American Tunnel, Silverton, Colorado could be added. Some of the specimens with rhodochrosite are really quite nice.
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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 09:31    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Les Presmyk wrote:
I would also add the New Hampshire locality...

An example of Fluorite from William Wise Mine, New Hampshire, USA



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William Wise Mine, Westmoreland, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, USA
Mined in 1990
Former John H. Marshall Jr. collection
Specimen size: 8.9 × 5.7 × 4.6 cm = 3.5” × 2.2” × 1.8”
Main crystal size: 6.3 × 4.5 cm = 2.5” × 1.8”
Fluorescent long & short UV
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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 09:36    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

I also would like to add Aouli, Morocco for the beautiful yellow fluos.
Not to forget Valzergues, France; Papiol, Spain; some more Black Forest, GER localities (Wieden area, Hesselbach, etc.). Is Weisseck, Lungau, Austria already on the list?

Now although i have to agree with some of the foreposters that a ranking is far more than subjective it is really a lot of fun dealing with my collection fluos after some time again more intesively. Attached a compilation of some of my favourites as far as i already took photograps...
Maybe we do a quiz ;-) .. from where are the fluos?

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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 11:22    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

For England I would add the Florence mine (and associated mines) of the West Cumbrian iron ore field, for the classic blue fluorites from there.
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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 12:14    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

The iron mines in West Cumbria have, indeed, produced some nice blue fluorites. The mines were, however, far from prolific in this respect and few collectors outside the UK are likely to ever encounter one.


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PostPosted: Oct 07, 2009 12:14    Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities?  

Chumar Bakhoor belongs to Sumayar Village (so really should not be called Nagar), although this was the name most commonly used since the late 1980s when specimens became more available from here
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