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Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 06:59    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 07:32    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 12:52    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

No filter!!!!!! , Even more impressive, well done.

José Luis.
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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 13:58    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

I'm a little tired.... But i try to finish....

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 14:02    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 14:08    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 14:43    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Fantastic minerals and a really good job with pictures. Congratulations!

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 16:02    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

thanks and i can't finish today....

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PostPosted: Oct 30, 2012 16:08    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

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PostPosted: Oct 31, 2012 04:14    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

serie 25.... The End come.... I have been able to take all this year, I have seen Jordi at the end of Munich show.... because less people in the expostion to take these photo....

Snow has not help me, even if i was complety equipped for my car.... Today i'll go in moutain of bavaria... Some photo if you want.



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PostPosted: Oct 31, 2012 04:20    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Serie of the end


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PostPosted: Oct 31, 2012 04:25    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

And one more


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PostPosted: Oct 31, 2012 04:25    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Outstanding!
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 03:20    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Hi Fred,

Thanks for your outstanding photos (as usual). Is you have some from the Bavarian Alps, could be fine to enjoy the scenery with some snow.

Christophe
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 05:04    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

some pictures from bavaria


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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 05:07    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

All pictures are now on my website here :
https://www.alpinismeetmineraux.fr/mineralogie/bourses/munich2012/munich01.htm
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 05:48    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Mr Ploum, you are a champ! Thank you for all your beautiful photos :-)
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 11:46    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

Thanks a lot, tomorrow last photo from this region. And come back in my home for others photos ;) but in a studio.
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 14:03    Post subject: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012 - An opinion - 1  

Barcelona 11/01/2012

Due the problems created for our server failure yesterday, I should divide my comments. Now I will publish a short note with some images and this weekend the rest.

Munich 2012 was in my opinion one of the poorest Shows in terms of novelties ever. In the other side, a lot of superb specimens from classics, old collections, and recent finds. So, this time the topic of the Show wasn't this or that novelty but the prices! ;-)
I will develop this topic in my next post, but as other people already commented in other sites, the break between the "best" specimens/dealers and the rest of the collectors is becoming enormous and it seems that the hobby it could announce a kind of fracture between the "modest" or field collectors and the "elite" collecting wonderful (but quite expensive) world class specimens.

Returning to the novelties, as always happens in a so large Show like Munich, here and there some small new find appear to make happy us, the "noveltie's yonkies".
For me, the main of these novelties were the incredible Hydroboracites from Kohnstein Quarry, Niedersachswerfen, Nordhausen, Harz, Thuringia, Germany. Largely the world's best in my opinion... I would like also point a bonanza of cobaltian Calcites from Morocco as well as some unusual new "poker chip" Calcites with Pyrite from El Hamman mine, and a new flow of sky blue Barytes from Ouichane, all from Morocco. From China new, very aesthetic, scalenohedral Calcites covered by iridescent Pyrite from maybe Daye? and new Phenakites on/and octahedral Fluorite from the indefatigable Huanggang mines as well as hundreds of (mostly broken) Chalcopyrites with Siderite with very, very, few samples of extraordinary epitactic Tetrahedrite-Chalcopyrite. From South America a new supply of fine green Augelites with Hübnerite and Quartz from Tamboras Mine, few new nice golds from San Luis Mining area, Chala, Peru, and from Congo some small pockets with attractive Azurites from Kimbwe, Kinsevere district, Congo.

Some photos below to share with FMErs, waiting the weekend to complete my vision of Munich 2012.



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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2012 15:15    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2012  

In case anyone doesn't know about Federico Barlocher and the movies he puts up on youtube, he just put one up on this show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZlYlhH8lo
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I about fell out of my chair when i saw the giant rhodo specimen at 10:45!
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