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A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria
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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2013 05:09    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Hi Jordi

Guess that it should just be labelled Nenthead without a specific mine as there is nothing to really tie it to a particular location.

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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2013 14:33    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

I always find it interesting to know something about the history of older specimens that I acquire. Too often a specimen will come with one or more old collection numbers painted on the back, but no accompanying labels to identify the former collections/owners. Once in a great while an old specimen does come with a collection of collection labels, this one being such a case.

The fluorite is from flats encountered in the mine around 1930. The first handwritten label is from William Davidson (1907 - 2002), a collector and part time dealer from Penrith, Cumbria (formerly Cumberland). During the 1950s - 1960s Davidson regularly supplied minerals to Scott Williams, who's business, Minerals Unlimited, was then located in Berkeley, California. I do not know who purchased the specimen from Williams, but in the early 1990s it ended up in the inventory of Kristalle (Wayne and Dona Leicht) in Southern California. It was acquired from the Leichts by Lindsay and Patricia Greenbank (Secured Minerals) in 1992 and returned to England. There is no label present from the Greenbanks but there is one of their distinctive inventory numbers printed on colored paper glued on the back of the specimen. Lindsay confirmed that they had gotten the specimen from Kristalle and subsequently sold it to Ralph Sutcliffe. From there, the specimen next shows up in the collection of Dave and Liz Hacker, who sold a portion of their collection to Mark Wrigley (Thames Valley Minerals) in 2005. I acquired the specimen from Mark and after making another transatlantic journey, it now resides within a few miles of its former home at Minerals Unlimited.

The name of the mine - Rotherhope Fell - is often spelled "Rodderup" on older labels. This is possibly because "Rodderup" is how the name would be pronounced in the local dialect.



F258-7871r.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite
Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor, Cumbria
5.5 cm across
 Viewed:  20962 Time(s)

F258-7871r.jpg



F258-labels.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite - labels
collection of labels for the above specimen
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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2013 16:17    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
ian jones wrote:
Have just realised that this has been placed in Gloucestershire - it needs to be relocated to Cumbria...

Fixed. Thank you Ian & Jesse.

Roger please, send me the same image but without embedded text and I will replace with it the previous image. Thank you.

ian jones wrote:
...Guess that it should just be labelled Nenthead without a specific mine as there is nothing to really tie it to a particular location.

Everything is fixed now: https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=34481#34481 Roger sent a new version of the image without the locality name embedded and I also modified the captions.

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PostPosted: Oct 03, 2013 21:26    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Something tiny from Cumbria.


Anatase Shap 2.jpg
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Anatase with pink feldspar.
Shap Pink Quarry, Shap, Cumbria, England, UK.
ca 1 mm crystal on 18 mm specimen.
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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2013 09:13    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Jesse, your two Rotherhope Fell Mine fluorite specimens are incredibly beautiful.

Rotherhope-F355-7730r.jpg

F258-7871r.jpg

Thanks for sharing these wonders. It almost makes me want to start collecting North of England fluorite. I'd have to find them though; no way could I afford specimens like these.
Isn't it a shame that although one can walk along the adit and peer into the flooded shaft, the Tynebottom Limestone is so far down...
Maybe I'll take up cave diving...!

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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2013 11:38    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Hello Mike,

Thanks. The more I see of the fluorites that came from the Tynebottom Limestone flats in Rotherhope Fell, the more I am convinced that they were among the best ever found in the North Pennines, though an argument could be made for the Boltsburn as well. Sadly, both are now far under water, and I doubt that any specimen no matter how beautiful would pay for the pumping, even if you could get a permit from the county to do that. Fortunately, there are still a few places like the Rogerley that are above the water table, and only require a small fortune to get at!

Below is a photo of another Rotherhope Fell fluorite, this one from the Russell collection in the Natural History Museum, London.

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Rotherhope-1634.jpg
 Description:
fluorite, galena and quartz
Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor, Cumbria
approximately 12 cm across.
Specimen was collected from the Tynebottom flats circa 1930 and was acquired by Sir Arthur Russell. It is now with the rest of his collection in the Natural History Museum, London.
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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2013 18:00    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

These Rodderup/Rotherhope Fell Mine fluorites are very beautiful. I also like the calcites from there.


Calcite Rotherhope 67mm 1922 5.jpg
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Calcite, collected 1922.
Rodderup/Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor, Cumbria, England, UK.
67 mm.
 Viewed:  20766 Time(s)

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Calcite Rotherhope 67mm 1922 3.jpg
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Calcite, collected 1922.
Rodderup/Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor, Cumbria, England, UK.
67 mm.
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PostPosted: Oct 05, 2013 10:45    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

I saw this one of those fantastic fluorites in Copenhagen


Copenhagen 016 Rotherhope Fell mine.JPG
 Description:
Fluorite
Rodderup/Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor, Cumbria, England, UK
About 8cm across
In Copenhagen museum
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PostPosted: Oct 06, 2013 12:43    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Getting away from this fluorite love-in - a couple mimetites from Dry Gill


Mimetite DG 2.jpg
 Description:
Mimetite
Dry Gill Mine, Caldbeck Fells, Cumbria, England, UK

Brown mimetite balls to 12mm on botryoidal manganese (hollandite?) with associated white baryte
 Viewed:  20603 Time(s)

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Mimetite
Dry Gill Mine, Caldbeck Fells, Cumbria, England, UK

Dark green mimetite balls to 10mm with a secondary coating of lighter green pyromorphite?
 Viewed:  20604 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Oct 23, 2013 17:38    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

I love fluorite, so here is a typical sample from the Hilton Mine.


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Fluorite
Hilton Mine, Scordale, North Pennines, Cumbria, England, UK.
Field of view 4 cm
 Viewed:  20287 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Oct 23, 2013 17:40    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

One from Egremont.


ullcoats mine.jpg
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Fluorite
Ullcoats Mine, Egremont, West Cumberland Iron Field, Cumbria, England, UK.
Field of view 3 cm
 Viewed:  20236 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Oct 24, 2013 14:25    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

From the Alston Moor District.


rotherhope fell.jpg
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Fluorite
Rotherhope Fell Mine, Alston Moor District, Cumbria, England, UK.
Field of view 4 cm
 Viewed:  20156 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 15:06    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Two specimens from the Willy Israel Collection. Both are from the Florence mine area in Cumbria.

Both specimens were recovered in the late 70s and purchased directly from the miners by Willy.

One of these specimens was recovered in the "Lonely Hearths" section of the mine. Which was apparently near the point where both the Beckermet and Florence mine were connected. The spot was so far from any access point to any of the mines that working there was somewhat lonely, hence the name. Don't know if this story is true, but a fun fact nonetheless. :-)



2010-09-28_Fluorite_4293-Edit.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Hematite
Florence mine, Egremont, Cumbria, England
Fluorite crystal about 8-9mm
 Viewed:  19079 Time(s)

2010-09-28_Fluorite_4293-Edit.jpg



_DSC3215-Edit-2.jpg
 Description:
Fluorite, Specularite, Hematite, Quartz
Florence mine, Egremont, Cumbria, England
8cm x 6cm x 2cm
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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 15:15    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Philip - you got the wrong county! This is Durham.
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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 15:20    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

My mistake! Was sure I clicked on the correct thread though. Must have had two browser tabs open. Is there any of the admins who can move it to the correct thread please?

I apologise for the inconvenience!
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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 15:24    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Philip Mostmans wrote:
...Is there any of the admins who can move it to the correct thread please?...

No stress! already fixed... ;-)
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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 15:27    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Jordi Fabre wrote:
Philip Mostmans wrote:
...Is there any of the admins who can move it to the correct thread please?...

No stress! Already fixed... ;-)

Thank you! :-)
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PostPosted: Mar 27, 2014 18:36    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Philip, the 'Lonely Hearts' section was where the Florence and Ullcoats mines were connected, not Beckermet. I think the story of the name is quite romantic but the distance between the two mines is quite short so it doesn't really make much sense.
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PostPosted: Mar 28, 2014 01:32    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

I made the wrong assumption then. Both specimens were labeled as coming from Beckermet mine. But as far as I know Beckermet didn't produce any of the Blue Fluorites.

When I heard the story I assumed Lonely Hearths to be between Florence and Beckermet, so the miner probably accessed the Florence workings through the Beckermet connection.

Ah well, it was a good story. Too bad it isn't true :-). Any idea's why the section was named Loneley Hearths?
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PostPosted: Mar 28, 2014 02:51    Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through the regions of the UK - England / Cumbria  

Philip Mostmans wrote:
Any idea's why the section was named Loneley Hearts?

Hi Philip, it is not only an "idea" but an explanation on a historical basis:

"Florence, and Ullcoats

Originally operated independently. Florence was the name given to the second shaft sunk at Ullbank mine and the most recent mine was centred round Florence No.2 shaft, sunk in 1945 and a later drift driven from surface. At Ullcoats the first shaft was sunk in 1900 followed eventually by a further six, three of which though were abandoned during sinking because of difficulties with the glacial deposits immediately above the orebody. In 1917 the mine was taken over by the Millom and Askam Company who owned the nearby Ullbank/Florence mines. From then it was operated as a single complex and connected underground to Florence in the 1950’s. It proved to be a long and lonely work for the small number of men driving the connecting drift and this part of the mine became known as `lonely hearts`."

Source: http : // www.rock-site.co.uk / cms.php?id_cms=15

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