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Tobi
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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 08:55 Post subject: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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A large part of this Land, on the border with the Czech Republic, is covered by the Erzgebirge, which is German for “Ore Mountains”; a name that doesn’t need further explanation. Together with the Harz Mountains in the central north and the Black Forest in the southwest, these mountains were the most important mining region in German history. Legendary wire silvers, different lead and silver ores and once giant deposits of wonderful fluorites in all colors are only a few examples of the many minerals that once came from there. Besides the treasure chambers of that mountains, Saxony also features the famous Schneckenstein Rock – Europe’s only source for really fine gemmy topaz.
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Fluorite Zehntausend Ritter Mine, Kippenhain, Schreckenberg, Frohnau, Annaberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 7 x 5,5 cm Collection & Photo: Tobias Martin |
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Jesse Fisher
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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 12:15 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Penetration twin fluorite from Beihilfe Mine
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Fluorite Beihilfe Mine, Halsbrucke, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 7x6x6 cm overall size |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 14:15 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Topaz on quartz from Schneckenstein
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Topaz on Quartz Schneckenstein, Vogtland, Saxony, Germany crystal is 1.5 cm tall. |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 22:49 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Fluorite, galena, quartz, and unidentified reddish mineral.
-> Most likely sphalerite (Tobi)
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Fluorite, Galena, Quartz Churprinz Friedrich August Erbstolln Mine , Großschirma, Freiberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 11.3 x 7.2 cm |
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Fluorite, Galena, Quartz Churprinz Friedrich August Erbstolln Mine , Großschirma, Freiberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany
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Fluorite, Galena, Quartz, Sphalerite (?) Churprinz Friedrich August Erbstolln Mine , Großschirma, Freiberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany
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Tobi
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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 02:26 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Nice topaz, Jesse! Here's another specimen of Germany's only "gem classic":
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Topaz Schneckenstein, Vogtland, Saxony, Germany 4,5 x 4 cm, crystal measures 1 cm |
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Andreas Gerstenberg
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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 05:48 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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There are other European topaz occurences that gave gemmy material (even in Germany), think of the Ural mountains. The Schneckenstein is, however, the best known German locality. Saxony i would consider the mother country of mineralogy.
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Amethyst Heidelbach, Purschenstein, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 4 x 3,5 cm The legendary "Purschenstein amethyst", a Saxonian rarity. The colour of that material is distinctive. |
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Baryte Beihilfe mine, Halsbrücke, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 12 x 8 cm |
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Galena, marcasite Sauberg mine, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 8 x 3 cm Ex University of Rostock collection |
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Cassiterite, fluorite, arsenopyrite Sauberg mine, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 5,5 x 4,5 cm |
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Silver, calcite Himmelsfürst mine, Brand-Erbisdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 3 x 2 cm |
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Jesse Fisher
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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 13:18 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Here is another photo of the Schneckenstein topaz, along with an old label that came with it. Can anyone give any information about the dealer or collector who's label this was?
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Topaz on Quartz Schneckenstein, Vogtland, Saxony, Germany 5x5x3 cm overall size |
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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 14:27 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Jesse Fisher wrote: | Here is another photo of the Schneckenstein topaz, along with an old label that came with it. Can anyone give any information about the dealer or collector who's label this was? |
"The famous mining academy in Freiberg, Germany was founded in November 1765 by Prince Xavier of Kursachsen, and its mineral museum was founded at the same time, probably based initially on the collection formed by C.E. Gellert (1713-1795). In 1767 the Academy established its own mineral dealership (Niederlage), probably for the purpose of supplying students with study specimens for their own collections. It eventually expanded to supply specimens and geological/mineralogical equipment to schools, students and collectors throughout Germany, Europe and America, advertising minerals, ores, rocks and fossils, in large collections and as individual specimens." - W. E. Wilson (2012)
see:
https://www.thetricottetcollection.com/bio_Freiberg.html
(link normalized by FMF)
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Jesse Fisher
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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 14:46 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Thank you. With my admittedly rudimentary understanding of German, I thought "niederlage" meant "defeat," which makes little sense in the context of a mineral label.
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Tobi
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Posted: Jan 18, 2014 12:46 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Jesse Fisher wrote: | Thank you. With my admittedly rudimentary understanding of German, I thought "niederlage" meant "defeat," which makes little sense in the context of a mineral label. |
Hi Jesse, don't worry about what you know about German language: "Niederlage" IS also the word for defeat (but once was used for a company's store, too).
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Jesse Fisher
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Posted: Jan 19, 2014 14:36 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Fluorite with Baryte, Pohla, Erzgebirge. I do not know the exact mine location for this specimen, can anyone help?
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Fluorite with Baryte Pohla, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 14x8x5 cm overall size |
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Andreas Gerstenberg
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Posted: Jan 20, 2014 07:19 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Hi,
the mine was named Pöhla too. Sometimes you may see the expression "Wismutschacht". Pöhla was an uranium mine and "Wismut" the mining company, said in general parlance.
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Andreas
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Andreas Gerstenberg
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Posted: Jan 21, 2014 06:52 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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The Sauberg mine near Ehrenfriedersdorf is one of the best-known Saxonian mines. Ehrenfriedersdorf is a very old tin mining district - so it´s not surprising that the locality is famous for cassiterite crystals. Other minerals worth mentioning are colourful apatites, good fluorite specimens, wolframite and quartz crystals as well as some rare minerals like herderite (type locality). The silver minerals are the treasures of every local collection but never reached the quality of the Freiberg or Schlema/Schneeberg specimens. Attached some samples from Sauberg mine which are all no museum specimens but some of those are rarely shown.
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Apatite Einigkeiter mine, Sauberg, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 6 x 4 cm Old specimen from the 1850s. |
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Fluorite Sauberg mine, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 6,5 x 5 cm |
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Fluorite, quartz Einigkeiter mine, Sauberg, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 6,5 x 5 cm A rare variety of fluorite from 243 working, collected in 1957. |
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Quartz, hematite Sauberg mine, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 15 x 9 cm An older specimen from the so-called "pole´s vug", 5654 working, 5th level. This quartz vug got it´s name from polish miners in the Sauberg mine. Very rare material. |
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Calcite Sauberg mine, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 5,5 x 4,5 cm The so-called "wave calcite" from the "Dölling vug", 6018 working, 6th level (found 1982 by Walther Dölling). |
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Andreas Gerstenberg
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Posted: Jan 21, 2014 06:59 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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A Saxonian region that is - let me put it this way - not that famous beyond the German borders is Upper Lusatia (Oberlausitz). It´s the north-eastern part of Saxony between Dresden and Brandenburg, known cities are Bautzen, Görlitz; Hoyerswerda and Radeberg (think of the beer...).
Fine smoky quartzes as well as feldspar crystals, rare fluorites, Be- and REE-minerals come from the Königshain granite quarries near Görlitz, the Pansberg quarry near Horscha is a locality for good variscites and wavellites, the Klunst quarry near Ebersbach gave zeolite minerals, nice epidote and calcite crystals. Two other places that should be mentioned are the Ossling quarry near Hoyerswerda (big, clear rock crystals, anatase, titanite) and the nickel mine near Sohland (pentlandite).
All Upper Lusatian localities don´t play a big role in the mineral world but things like 6 cm molybdenite crystals from Königshain are not bad at all, i´d say. Here are some samples from my collection:
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Amazonite Hilbersdorf quarry, Königshain, Görlitz, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 8,5 x 6 cm |
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Fluorite Arnsdorf quarry, Königshain, Görlitz, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 2,5 cm crystal |
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Molybdenite Königshain, Görlitz, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 3 x 2 cm |
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Dravite Hüttermühle, Radeberg, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 7 x 2,5 cm |
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Quartz Oßling quarry, Hoyerswerda, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 1 x 1 cm Rock crystal |
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Pentlandite, pyrrhotite Nickel mine, Sohland, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 6 x 6 cm |
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Heulandite Klunst quarry, Ebersbach, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 11 x 5 cm |
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Variscite Pansberg quarry, Horscha, Upper Lusatia, Saxony, Germany 6,5 x 5 cm |
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Posted: Jan 22, 2014 07:55 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Mixed Saxon specimens
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Pyromorphite Heilige Dreifaltigkeit mine, Zschopau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 4,5 cm crystal |
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Topaz var. pyknite, zinnwaldite, quartz Altenberg, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 9 x 7,5 cm |
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Almandine Ansprung, Zöblitz, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 2 cm crystal |
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Emplectite, fluorite, hematite Altenberg, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany Picture width: 7 cm |
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Helvite Unverhofft Glück mine, Antonsthal, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany Largest crystal: 4 mm |
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Baryte, quartz Zentralschacht, Zobes, Vogtland, Saxony, Germany 6 x 4 cm |
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Limonite Eiserner Bauer mine, Leubetha, Vogtland, Saxony, Germany 11 x 8 cm |
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Chrysotile Zöblitz, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 13 x 5,5 cm |
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Calcite Schneeberg, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 8 x 4 cm |
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Fluorite 24 shaft, Pöhla, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 3 x 2 cm Rare colour for Pöhla. |
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Calcite Rabenstein limestone mine, Chemnitz, Saxony, Germany 3 x 2,5 cm |
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Posted: Jan 22, 2014 11:59 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Fluorite, Frohnau, Erzgebirge
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Fluorite Nowaja Schacht, Frohnau, Annaberg-Bucholz, Erzgebirge, Saxony 11x9x3 cm overall size |
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Posted: Jan 23, 2014 07:50 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Rarities with their type locality in Saxony: chapmanite and emplectite. Both minerals occured only once more after the type discovery, emplectite in the 1980s in a few micromount samples and chapmanite in a single cabinet piece in 2002. Here are two oldtimers:
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Emplectite, siderite, quartz Tannenbaum adit, Erla, Johanngeorgenstadt, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 10 x 8,5 cm With old Maucher label. |
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Chapmanite Neue Hoffnung Gottes mine, Bräunsdorf, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 1,5 x 1,2 / 3,8 x 2,5 cm With 1850s Bergakademie Freiberg label. |
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Posted: Jan 28, 2014 06:54 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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The pyromorphite from Zschopau was already shown before, here´s another classic from there - the so-called "Blaubleierz". Zschopau was one of the first known occurences of this always sought-after pseudomorphs. This old sample comes from the collection of Fritz Seliger who served as a prospector for the last German emperor.
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Galena (pseudomorph after pyromorphite) Heilige Dreifaltigkeit mine, Zschopau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany 5 x 3 cm |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2014 17:30 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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A rare mineral from the granulites in Waldheim (type locality): prismatine, which was believed to be kornerupine for a long time.
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Prismatine Granulite outcrop, Waldheim, Döbeln, Saxony, Germany 2'5 x 3'5 cm. Long dark prismatine crystals in a classical granulite. |
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Posted: Feb 04, 2014 10:29 Post subject: Re: A mineralogical trip through Germany / Sachsen - Saxony |
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Another Saxon fluorite:
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Fluorite Wolkenstein, Marienberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany Specimen size 6 cm, largest fluorite cube 6 mm |
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Fluorite Wolkenstein, Marienberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany Specimen height 6 cm, largest fluorite cube 6 mm |
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