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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 03:26    Post subject: Which locality?  

This label is on a Galena specimen probably from "the Eifel", Germany.
Does anyone recognize what is written on this label?



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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 06:59    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Hello Mathias,
not quite from the Eifel:

S1B
Anxbach
Westerwald

- Anxbach Mine (Grube Anxbach), Lorscheid, Neuwied, Wied Iron Spar District, Westerwald, Rheinland-Palatinate, Germany. Mindat does not yet have a picture of Galena from there, so you may wish to post it there, too.

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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 08:33    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Dear Gerhard

I do not dispute that the galena is from the locality you say.
Just I could not read Anxbach in label....

Last letter under the S1B looks as a g, no way it could be an H

Maybe it reads Augeberg... Berg I am very sure.... the Auge.... maybe, maybe not.. Augsberg maybe also, and seems more probable.....
So, I think first name is Augsberg...

May you be so kind to teach me a little about that?

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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 08:40    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

This is the front side of the Galena specimen. Perhaps someone may recognize it and link it to a certain locality.


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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 09:47    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Hello Lluis,

Except for the S1B in the top line (which could be a classification code: "S" for "sulphides"), this is in a form of the old German "Kurrent" handwriting, were an "h" is written by first drawing a counter-clockwise upper loop and then a clockwise loop extending below the baseline.

The upper loop of the "h" in "Anxbach" (just like that of the "b" before it) is a bit faded, but it is still there. The second letter is clearly not a "u", which would be distinguished from an "n" by a curl above it. That the "x" is not a "g" is a bit harder to see - but easy for me who used to write tons of them with my own hand, long ago in the last century when I had been a mathematics student. :) It ends with a counterclockwise open hook below the baseline, whereas a "g" would feature a clockwise loop there.

And the "x" immediately precedes the "b". "-gsberg" would require a round "s" before the "b" (unlike the long "s" seen before the "t" in "Westerwald"), which in this handwriting would be a small clockwise circle inside a long upward loop, as tall as the "b".

As to how I found it: While there are lead ore deposits within the confines of the Eifel, there are rather more of them elsewhere in RLP, so I glanced at some pictures of galena from anywhere in RLP on mindat until I spotted "Westerwald" - making the third line obvious. Then I just looked at all the mindat localities under "Westerwald" until I found the one that started with an "A" and had a "b" in the middle, and then the second line became obvious, too. The "x" nails it, leaving me without any doubt - this letter is extremely rare in German place names.

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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2018 13:08    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Hi,

Anxbach, Westerwald is correct. Fine specimen by the way...

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PostPosted: Jun 19, 2018 01:45    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Thanks for your support; Anxbach it is!
Convinced!
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PostPosted: Jun 19, 2018 02:45    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Thanks a lot for complete explanation, Gerhard!

I was used to chancelleries type of letter (my mother in law write this way... ).
But first time I heard and know about the type you explained me!
Really difficult to recognize shape of letters if you are not used to them...

Well, not minerals, but a little bit more wise in my case

Many thanks again

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PostPosted: Jun 22, 2018 10:14    Post subject: Re: Which locality?  

Gerhard Niklasch wrote:
Hello Lluis,

Except for the S1B in the top line (which could be a classification code: "S" for "sulphides"), this is in a form of the old German "Kurrent" handwriting, were an "h" is written by first drawing a counter-clockwise upper loop and then a clockwise loop extending below the baseline.

The upper loop of the "h" in "Anxbach" (just like that of the "b" before it) is a bit faded, but it is still there. The second letter is clearly not a "u", which would be distinguished from an "n" by a curl above it. That the "x" is not a "g" is a bit harder to see - but easy for me who used to write tons of them with my own hand, long ago in the last century when I had been a mathematics student. :) It ends with a counterclockwise open hook below the baseline, whereas a "g" would feature a clockwise loop there.

And the "x" immediately precedes the "b". "-gsberg" would require a round "s" before the "b" (unlike the long "s" seen before the "t" in "Westerwald"), which in this handwriting would be a small clockwise circle inside a long upward loop, as tall as the "b".

As to how I found it: While there are lead ore deposits within the confines of the Eifel, there are rather more of them elsewhere in RLP, so I glanced at some pictures of galena from anywhere in RLP on mindat until I spotted "Westerwald" - making the third line obvious. Then I just looked at all the mindat localities under "Westerwald" until I found the one that started with an "A" and had a "b" in the middle, and then the second line became obvious, too. The "x" nails it, leaving me without any doubt - this letter is extremely rare in German place names.

Cheers, Gerhard

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