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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 19:50    Post subject: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

My grandpa died several years ago and my grandmother insisted I take this rock from his large collection. I've had it sitting on my bookshelf for a few years and I decided I wanted to know more about it. My grandmother said he really liked this specimen but I don't know if it is special or if my grandpa just like it instinctually. It seems that there are all sorts of amethyst and any help would be much appreciated. I am wondering a few things:

1. I want to understand why my grandpa liked this piece so much. Is there anything extraordinary about this piece?
2. Is it worth much, like should I have it insured?
3. My grandpa had enough money that I'm scared he may have spent a lot on this. I know it's a rock but...Is there anything I need to do to properly care for it?
4. It has some type of golden/copper flecks in it. Is this normal?

I have attached some photos. I do not know where it was mined or purchased.
I don't know the matrix. The color graduates from a very light purple to dark purple. The luster is semi-metallic.-I think (Boy, am I way out of my element).
The form is a cluster of crystals. I did not do a streak test because even with my limited knowledge I'm pretty sure it is Amethyst. It weighs 6 pounds 7.4oz. The three sides measure about 8x9x9 and 3.5 inches deep.

Any information would be much appreciated.

-Redge



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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 20:12    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

RedgePalmer wrote:
My grandpa died several years ago and my grandmother insisted I take this rock from his large collection. I've had it sitting on my bookshelf for a few years and I decided I wanted to know more about it. My grandmother said he really liked this specimen but I don't know if it is special or if my grandpa just like it instinctually. It seems that there are all sorts of amethyst and any help would be much appreciated. I am wondering a few things:

1. I want to understand why my grandpa liked this piece so much. Is there anything extraordinary about this piece?
2. Is it worth much, like should I have it insured?
3. My grandpa had enough money that I'm scared he may have spent a lot on this. I know it's a rock but...Is there anything I need to do to properly care for it?
4. It has some type of golden/copper flecks in it. Is this normal?

I have attached some photos. I do not know where it was mined or purchased.


I don't know the matrix. The color graduates from a very light purple to dark purple. The luster is semi-metallic.-I think (Boy, am I way out of my element).
The form is a cluster of crystals. I did not do a streak test because even with my limited knowledge I'm pretty sure it is Amethyst. It weighs 6 pounds 7.4oz. The three sides measure about 8x9x9 and 3.5 inches deep.

Any information would be much appreciated.

-Redge


Dear RP

Your grandfather had good taste. It is a fine looking cluster. What we call eye-candy.

There are many reasons why people collect minerals. For the majority of collectors it is just the amazing colours and crystal forms. For others it is the scientific interest. For some it compliments another interest – chemistry/physics for example. For some it gives them an opportunity to use the hobby to further their megalomania – to get things that others cannot afford – and use it to get attention they do not deserve. Thus there are many reasons.

I hope you will carry-on your grandfather’s tradition as a collector.

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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 21:23    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

REDGE,

Welcome to this forum. R-A has given you a nice welcoming discussion of appreciating the beauty of minerals, but did not address your questions.

Yes, you have an example of AMETHYST, the purple variety of quartz. It is almost certainly from Brazil. While a very nice example, it is quite common in this form and quality with tons of similar examples available. Insurance is not necessary as its real value is not in $$$, but in the remembrance value of your grandfather's interest in leaving something beautiful and tangible for you. That is why he loved it and wanted you to have it.
The tiny areas of reddish flecks are bits of rusty iron staining that occurred when micro drops of iron laden water got included into micro spaces in the crystals many millennia ago. All these amethyst examples represent spaces in basalt lava flows with the amethyst quartz crystals growing into the open spaces. The matrix, is, as I said, from lava flows and has been treated with a rubberized compound (the greenish colored areas on the back side) to make the specimens easier to handle as untreated examples have a very sharp surface.
To keep your example fresh and bright, I might gently wash and dry it several times a year. The specimen is quite stout; with gentle handling and a quick wash it should last your whole lifetime.

Hope this helps. BOB
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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 22:38    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

Bob Harman wrote:
REDGE,

Welcome to this forum. R-A has given you a nice welcoming discussion of appreciating the beauty of minerals, but did not address your questions.

Yes, you have an example of AMETHYST, the purple variety of quartz. It is almost certainly from Brazil. While a very nice example, it is quite common in this form and quality with tons of similar examples available. Insurance is not necessary as its real value is not in $$$, but in the remembrance value of your grandfather's interest in leaving something beautiful and tangible for you. That is why he loved it and wanted you to have it.
The tiny areas of reddish flecks are bits of rusty iron staining that occurred when micro drops of iron laden water got included into micro spaces in the crystals many millennia ago. All these amethyst examples represent spaces in basalt lava flows with the amethyst quartz crystals growing into the open spaces. The matrix, is, as I said, from lava flows and has been treated with a rubberized compound (the greenish colored areas on the back side) to make the specimens easier to handle as untreated examples have a very sharp surface.
To keep your example fresh and bright, I might gently wash and dry it several times a year. The specimen is quite stout; with gentle handling and a quick wash it should last your whole lifetime.

Hope this helps. BOB


Bob,

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain it all. I will happily keep it displayed right on the bookshelf reassured that I am not displaying a piece that belongs in a bank vault. :)

-RP
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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 22:59    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

Do you have a collection page?

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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 23:01    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

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RedgePalmer wrote:
My grandpa died several years ago and my grandmother insisted I take this rock from his large collection. I've had it sitting on my bookshelf for a few years and I decided I wanted to know more about it. My grandmother said he really liked this specimen but I don't know if it is special or if my grandpa just like it instinctually. It seems that there are all sorts of amethyst and any help would be much appreciated. I am wondering a few things:

1. I want to understand why my grandpa liked this piece so much. Is there anything extraordinary about this piece?
2. Is it worth much, like should I have it insured?
3. My grandpa had enough money that I'm scared he may have spent a lot on this. I know it's a rock but...Is there anything I need to do to properly care for it?
4. It has some type of golden/copper flecks in it. Is this normal?

I have attached some photos. I do not know where it was mined or purchased.


I don't know the matrix. The color graduates from a very light purple to dark purple. The luster is semi-metallic.-I think (Boy, am I way out of my element).
The form is a cluster of crystals. I did not do a streak test because even with my limited knowledge I'm pretty sure it is Amethyst. It weighs 6 pounds 7.4oz. The three sides measure about 8x9x9 and 3.5 inches deep.

Any information would be much appreciated.

-Redge


Dear RP

Your grandfather had good taste. It is a fine looking cluster. What we call eye-candy.

There are many reasons why people collect minerals. For the majority of collectors it is just the amazing colours and crystal forms. For others it is the scientific interest. For some it compliments another interest – chemistry/physics for example. For some it gives them an opportunity to use the hobby to further their megalomania – to get things that others cannot afford – and use it to get attention they do not deserve. Thus there are many reasons.

I hope you will carry-on your grandfather’s tradition as a collector.


Thanks so much for replying. I don't think I will have a choice but to carry on the tradition. My grandmother keeps hinting that a lot more are coming my way. He had a huge collection. Everytime one of his 4 kids moved out he filled their room with rocks. A visit to grandma and grandpa felt a little like a trip to the natural history museum.

Realistically, between his rocks and his fossils, I think he had several thousand. I wish he had taken the time to label any of them. I can only identify them as "Mushroom shaped one" "Orange Porcupine" "Shiny Rainbow Squares Rock" "Kryptonite" "Cloudy Blue One" and "The Physical Personification of an Acid Trip."

I'm sure I'll be back asking about more some day.
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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2018 23:20    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

RedgePalmer wrote:
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RedgePalmer wrote:
My grandpa died several years ago and my grandmother insisted I take this rock from his large collection. I've had it sitting on my bookshelf for a few years and I decided I wanted to know more about it. My grandmother said he really liked this specimen but I don't know if it is special or if my grandpa just like it instinctually. It seems that there are all sorts of amethyst and any help would be much appreciated. I am wondering a few things:

1. I want to understand why my grandpa liked this piece so much. Is there anything extraordinary about this piece?
2. Is it worth much, like should I have it insured?
3. My grandpa had enough money that I'm scared he may have spent a lot on this. I know it's a rock but...Is there anything I need to do to properly care for it?
4. It has some type of golden/copper flecks in it. Is this normal?

I have attached some photos. I do not know where it was mined or purchased.


I don't know the matrix. The color graduates from a very light purple to dark purple. The luster is semi-metallic.-I think (Boy, am I way out of my element).
The form is a cluster of crystals. I did not do a streak test because even with my limited knowledge I'm pretty sure it is Amethyst. It weighs 6 pounds 7.4oz. The three sides measure about 8x9x9 and 3.5 inches deep.

Any information would be much appreciated.

-Redge


Dear RP

Your grandfather had good taste. It is a fine looking cluster. What we call eye-candy.

There are many reasons why people collect minerals. For the majority of collectors it is just the amazing colours and crystal forms. For others it is the scientific interest. For some it compliments another interest – chemistry/physics for example. For some it gives them an opportunity to use the hobby to further their megalomania – to get things that others cannot afford – and use it to get attention they do not deserve. Thus there are many reasons.

I hope you will carry-on your grandfather’s tradition as a collector.


Thanks so much for replying. I don't think I will have a choice but to carry on the tradition. My grandmother keeps hinting that a lot more are coming my way. He had a huge collection. Everytime one of his 4 kids moved out he filled their room with rocks. A visit to grandma and grandpa felt a little like a trip to the natural history museum.

Realistically, between his rocks and his fossils, I think he had several thousand. I wish he had taken the time to label any of them. I can only identify them as "Mushroom shaped one" "Orange Porcupine" "Shiny Rainbow Squares Rock" "Kryptonite" "Cloudy Blue One" and "The Physical Personification of an Acid Trip."

I'm sure I'll be back asking about more some day.


It is so important that a family maintain knowledge of where it came from and where it is heading.

Too often I come across children who do not even know who their father was let alone their grandfather. They have no knowledge of their past, and probably have little interest in their future. The reasons for this are obvious but I will not raise them on FMF otherwise I might be booted (see quote below).

I have many things that belonged to my father (born 1900 UK), especially his mechanical books – he was an engineer. I also have a few things that belonged to my grandfather (born 1875 UK) – he was a watch maker.

Museums in the past did a fine job of preserving collections that were donated by members of a family, but not anymore. I have a few minerals in my collection that were donated to the museum some 100 years ago. I am sure that those who donated them did not want them to end up in my collection. And of course there is the demographic question!!

Bottom line – preserve the heritage and history of your own family – it is so important.

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PostPosted: Oct 23, 2018 06:45    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

Nice specimen. I was unaware of the rubberized backing. Of museum donations and to schools. I have those too. There is no guarantee they will save all of them, nor usually enough space to hold all. Insurance is a good topic, at what point do members insure individual items and can you insure a complete collection? I have been though this as an antique collector. There is a American company that will insure most anything from a base ball card to pocket knives. Supposed to be inexpensive and no itemized inventory needed. Home owners or renters insurance normally does not cover such.
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PostPosted: Oct 23, 2018 09:19    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

R SAUNDERS,

Insurance and donations are good discussion topics, but, in my opinion, not for this thread as the original posting was for a personal individual specimen identification and info about it.

If you want to discuss your points of interest, I suggest starting a new thread. I might then give you my experiences with both as I have both donated and gotten examples insured. BOB
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PostPosted: Oct 24, 2018 00:51    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

Hello,

Let me put it this way:
Nice mineral specimen, yet fairly common, it might be worth a little.
Nice mineral containing your grandfather's passion...priceless!
I've inherited no minerals from my grandfathers, only gems :)
It's up to you to explore your grandfather's hobby or to look for your own. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Oct 24, 2018 03:49    Post subject: Re: I inherited a rock...now what? Amethyst Cluster  

Bob Harman wrote:
R SAUNDERS,

Insurance and donations are good discussion topics, but, in my opinion, not for this thread as the original posting was for a personal individual specimen identification and info about it.

If you want to discuss your points of interest, I suggest starting a new thread. I might then give you my experiences with both as I have both donated and gotten examples insured. BOB


Read line #2 he asked if it had value and should he insure it. I answered that it is very hard to insure such with my knowledge of insuring antiques and collectibles. And his item is not in my opinion worth the expense of same.
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