We use cookies to show content based on your preferences. If you continue to browse you accept their use and installation. More information. >

FMF - Friends of Minerals Forum, discussion and message board
The place to share your mineralogical experiences


Spanish message board






Newest topics and users posts
18 Mar-08:12:52 Green seam. Looks like it in a state of decay. (Ning)
18 Mar-06:47:13 Mineralogy & museums 10 - cardiff - 12th-13th august 2024 (Roy Starkey)
18 Mar-02:50:32 Re: collection from dany mabillard (Dany Mabillard)
17 Mar-01:57:58 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Volkmar Stingl)
15 Mar-14:27:47 Re: collection of philippe durand (Philippe Durand)
15 Mar-13:49:04 Re: collection of firmo espinar (Firmo Espinar)
15 Mar-09:18:42 Re: collection of michael shaw (Michael Shaw)
15 Mar-03:45:43 The mizunaka collection - rhodochrosite (Am Mizunaka)
14 Mar-21:29:31 Re: monthly mineral chronicles, mineral guides and more... (Crocoite)
14 Mar-14:47:27 Re: collection of philippe durand (Jordi Fabre)
14 Mar-13:56:01 Re: collection of philippe durand (Philippe Durand)
14 Mar-11:24:43 Re: collection of philippe durand (Jordi Fabre)
14 Mar-08:55:22 Re: collection of michael shaw (Michael Shaw)
14 Mar-08:44:47 Re: the mim museum in beirut, lebanon (Mim Museum)
14 Mar-07:24:12 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Volkmar Stingl)
14 Mar-02:30:15 The mizunaka collection - quartz (Am Mizunaka)
14 Mar-02:20:37 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Tobi)
13 Mar-23:40:08 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Volkmar Stingl)
13 Mar-14:22:58 Re: don lum collection (Don Lum)
13 Mar-14:02:43 Re: collection of philippe durand (Philippe Durand)
13 Mar-00:57:48 The mizunaka collection - quartz (Am Mizunaka)
12 Mar-07:36:06 Re: can you recommend a lab to analyse specimens (Luiz Oliveira)
11 Mar-16:19:18 Re: collection of philippe durand (Riccardo Modanesi)
11 Mar-15:18:26 Re: collection of philippe durand (Philippe Durand)
11 Mar-15:13:07 Re: collection of philippe durand (Philippe Durand)

For lists of newest topics and postings click here


RSS RSS

View unanswered posts

Why and how to register

Index Index
 FAQFAQ RegisterRegister  Log inLog in
 {Forgotten your password?}Forgotten your password?  

Like
111632


The time now is Mar 19, 2024 04:53

Search for a textSearch for a text   

A general guide for using the Forum with some rules and tips
The information provided within this Forum about localities is only given to allow reference to them. Any visit to any of the localities requires you to obtain full permission and relevant information prior to your visit. FMF is strictly against any illicit activities related to collecting minerals.
Westmorland and Cumberland
  
  Index -> Mines and Mineral Localities
Like
2


View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message

James Catmur
Site Admin



Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 1336
Location: Cambridge


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Nov 16, 2021 07:37    Post subject: Westmorland and Cumberland  

It looks like Westmorland and Cumberland may come back, as administrative districts within the county of Cumbria. So not the historical counties, but it could get a bit confusing on labels:

Westmorland and Furness, Cumbria
Cumberland, Cumbria

Seems to be a case of gerrymandering (according to some people)

James
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

SteveB




Joined: 12 Oct 2015
Posts: 235
Location: Canberra

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Nov 16, 2021 19:56    Post subject: Re: Westmorland and Cumberland  

Possibly gerrymandering, but i encounter this in genealogy too where church parish boundaries change and are used for some type of records. As for my mineral collection i use a written journal to help catalog and label my finds (and research/test results involved with better identification of them. I try to use the most accurate GPS co-ordinates along with the location name at time of find. With GPS I would hope if my collection and records survive together and place names change in the future with political whim then the information can be updated as needed. Essentially I try to keep every data point for a specimen at the best possible precision.

Of course in this hobby many people keep locations as vague and secret to “keep” a fossicking location entirely to themselves. So greed causes the loss or distortion of location information already anyway. It's rare to buy a specimen that has accurate location information provided. Many crystals are just labelled as coming from “China”, nothing closer to a more precise location, of course this feeds the notion it's a manufactured specimen.

So does it really matter if locations are reinstated? We should just accurately record as best we can the exact find location at the time of a find and treat any location on something you buy or have given to you as a possibility not a certain fact. Unless you brought the specimen out of the ground with your own hands you can never be 100% certain anyway.

Steve
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

Jesse Fisher




Joined: 18 Mar 2009
Posts: 628
Location: San Francisco


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Nov 17, 2021 09:45    Post subject: Re: Westmorland and Cumberland  

Place names have long been subject to the vagaries of politics and changes in local culture, and obviously have no respect for the more timeless qualities of local geology. Any mineral collection that contains specimens of any age will be a good document of this, My fluorite from La Burg was once from Midi-Pyrénées and is now from Occitanie. My feldspar twin was once from Karlsbad but is now from Karlovy Vary. My microcline and fluorite was once from Silesia, but is now from Strzegom. My Pakistani beryl was once from the Northern Areas but is now from Balochistan. My Hilton fluorite was once from Westmorland, but is now from Cumbria. Maybe it will once again be from Westmorland. As collectors, all we can do is attempt to keep our labels updated as we become aware of these things. I wish that Mindat had a notification service I could sign up for that would send out automatic updates on changes to geographical and political divisions which effect the naming of mineral locations!
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

James Catmur
Site Admin



Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 1336
Location: Cambridge


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Jun 01, 2023 12:40    Post subject: Re: Westmorland and Cumberland  

They are back, time to change all our labels (again)?

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Cumberland_(unitary_authority)
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Westmorland_and_Furness
(links normalized by FMF but first link takes you to the old county not the new unitary authority. You need to copy the whole link and not click on it)
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

Roy Starkey




Joined: 01 Feb 2014
Posts: 60
Location: Bromsgrove


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Jun 01, 2023 13:37    Post subject: Re: Westmorland and Cumberland  

Hi James
Yes, it is a bit of a pain but politicians will always fiddle with administrative boundaries. My personal view (and we are uniquely fortunate in the UK) is that so long as the label (and the specimen) has an Ordnance Survey National Grid Reference (preferably 8 figures, but 6 will suffice in most instances) the locality is adequately defined no matter what the surrounding parish, county or country is called!

I'll include a 'gratuitous' image of the Lake District looking magnificent on a lovely day in March 2023 - the shot is taken from Helvellyn looking towards St Sunday Crag. Enjoy!



St Sunday Crag from Helvellyn, March 2023 DSC_0325.jpg
 Description:
 Viewed:  9169 Time(s)

St Sunday Crag from Helvellyn, March 2023 DSC_0325.jpg


Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
2
   
Display posts from previous:   
   Index -> Mines and Mineral Localities   All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Page 1 of 1
    

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


All pictures, text, design © Forum FMF 2006-2024


Powered by FMF