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Tobi
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Posted: Oct 14, 2009 15:02 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Hi Antonio, thank you for taking care of this thread. Just one correction concerning the German localities: Rottleberode has nothing do with Saxony or Erzgebirge, it belongs to the Harz Mountains.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 14, 2009 15:48 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Thank you, Tobias.
I apologize for my mistake. I'll correct the list tomorrow. I see Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt are quite different.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 16:56 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Please don't forget to vote. I'm looking forward publishing the results. Remember you can vote via pm (sending me a message) or posting the score directly.
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Montanpark
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 04:13 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Hi Antonio, all
ok, here is my vote based on the specimens in my collection display:
1. Fluorspar district, Illinois (Denton, Minerva #1, Annabel Lee, Cave in Rock)
2. North Pennines Orefield, (including Rogerley, Hitlton, Botsburn, Rotherhope Fell, Florence Mine, Ullcoats Mine…)
3. Asturias (including La Collada Mine, Emilio Mine, Berbes, Moscona Mine…)
4. Okorusu Mine (Okarusu Mine), Otjiwarongo District, Otjozondjupa Region
5. Hunan Province (including Shangbao Pyrite Mine, Yaogangxian Mine, Xianghualing Mine, Xianghuapu Mine
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 05:23 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Hi all, and here are my 5 favourites:
1. Fluorspar district, Illinois, USA
4. Dal'negorsk, Russia
2. Freiberg area, Saxony, Germany
3. Wölsendorf area, Bavaria, Germany
5. Erongo Mountains, Namibia
Glückauf
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 05:36 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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1. Asturias (including La Collada Mine, Emilio Mine, Berbes, Moscona Mine…)
2. Hunan Province (including Shangbao Pyrite Mine, Yaogangxian Mine, Xianghualing Mine, Xianghuapu Mine
3. Chumar Bakhoor, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas
4. Elmwood mine, Carthage, Tennessee
5. Riemvasmaak, Kakamas District, Northern Cape Province
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Jesse Fisher
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 10:07 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Picking only five is a hard choice!
1. North Pennines Orefield, England
2. Southern Illinois Fluorspar District, USA
3. Hunan Province, China
4. Dalnegorsk, Russia
5. Asturias, Spain
Cheers!
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Peter
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 13:08 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Your favourite fluorite localities was the question if I read correctly.
That means each one may judge his favourite, no matter if there was one specimen found or 50 000 tons produced per year.
My favourites are based more on quality and variety.
Les, during the past 100 years tens of thousands fo pockets have been encountered and mostly blasted to dust at the Malmberget Mine, Sweden. I have personally together with two miners since the 1980s dug hundreds of interesting pockets, visited and dug thousands medium interesting pockets. The quality of specimens has nothing to do with how many people have seen specimens or how many specimens there are.
I have a lecture at the Kongsberg Mining Museum annual mineralogy conference a few years back and showed about 200 morphologies of calcite from the mines and some fine emerald green, ice blue fluorite as well.
In Tucson I have shown a few specimens of my collections to friends and I have exhibited one superb specimen on fluorite in the exhibits and on three occassions superb calcites. I never made any publicity but I have published an article in the german magazine Mineralien Welt and I am preparing another for US publication : )
Kongsberg is also not so well known. But fact is fact, and booth those localities have produced incredible fluorites, from octahedrons to more complex forms : )
There has never been tons, or thousands of tons produced of fluorite here, this is Morocco and China good at and some tons are incredible!
And of course, it can not be someones favourite until they have seen some images or samples at least! : )
I see the Swiss alps refered to. There are incredible pink and RED fluorites in the Mt Blanc massif in France. There are more than from Malmberget, but the best you have to go to Chamonix to see!
They are no less spectacular because of that!!! It is well worth a trip!!!
The the well known frenck incredible blue fluorites are simply stunning and if we have Hunan Province as a locality, we may just add "La France" as one and I think France will beat any other region of the world!!!
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 17:15 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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As we are receiving many votes we will post the top five localities in a few days and the following five as well.
I do not forget to publish a final list with -I hope- all the localities you have kindly mentioned.
Comments are also welcome.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 25, 2009 14:45 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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The result of the voting is:
1. Asturias, Spain (23 votes)
2. Mts. Pennines orefield, UK (20 votes)
3. Tied: Fluorspar district, Illinois, USA (19 votes) and Hunan, China (19 votes)
5. Elmwood, Tenesse, USA (12 votes)
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The following four localities:
6. Three-way tie: Mont Blanc, France
Okorusu, Namibia
Dal'Negorsk, Russia (all with 11 votes)
9. Erongo Mountains, Namibia (10 votes)
I hope you have enjoyed this thread. Very soon I will post the extended list with all the mentioned localities.
Best whishes
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Jason
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Posted: Oct 25, 2009 18:59 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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The Illinois/Kentucky fluorspar district for me..tons of mines, lost mines, hidden mines and over 100 years of mining history. Ben Clement museum says it all when you talk about fluorite from that area..plus..the best part..anybody can go dig for their own fluorite in that area..you can't beat that..can you do that at the Rogerly? at Okoruso? hands down any place where the average Joe can dig their own fine fluorites must be tops on a list:)
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Joan Kureczka
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Posted: Oct 25, 2009 23:08 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Not at the Rogerley, as a rule, but there are plenty of locations with the North Pennines where intrepid collectors have found stuff.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 03:06 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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The final but not comprehensive list:
EUROPE
United Kingdom
1. North Pennines Orefield, (including Rogerley, Hitlton, Botsburn, Rotherhope Fell)
1b. West Cumbria (Florence Mine, Ullcoats Mine…)
2. Castleton, Derbyshire
3. Crich Quarry, Crich, Derbyshire
Germany
4. Wölsendorf, Bavaria
5. Freiberg, Saxony
6. Erzgebirge Region, Saxony
7. Rottleberode, Stolberg, Harz Mts, Saxony-Anhalt
8. Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony
9. Wieden Area, Black Forest, Baden-Württemberg
10. Clara Mine,Wolfach, Baden-Württemberg
11. Hesselbach Mine, Ödsbach, Oberkirch, Baden-Württemberg
12. Münstertal. Münster Valley, Black Forest, Baden-Württemberg
Switzerland
13. Zingenstock-Gerstenegg-Sommerloch
14. Planggenstock Mt., Göscheneralp, Göschenen Valley, Uri
Italy
15. Is Murvonis Mine, Domusnovas, Carbonia-Iglesias Province, Sardinia
France
16. Mont Blanc, French Alps
17. Le Burg Mine, Alban, Le Fraysse Area, Tarn, Midi-Pyrénées
18. Valzergues, Decazeville, Aveyron, Midi-Pyrénées
19. Buxières-les-Mines, Allier, Auvergne
Spain
20. La Collada Mine, La Collada area, Siero, Asturias
21. Berbes Mine, Berbes Mining area, Ribadesella, Asturias
22. Mina Jaimina, Caravia, Ribadesella, Asturies
23. Emilio Mine, El Fito, Loroñe, Villaviciosa, Asturias
24. Moscona Mine, Solís, Villabona, Asturias
25. Arteixo, A Coruña (La Coruña)
26. Berta Quarry, El Papiol, Barcelona
26b. Mures, Jaén
Sweden
27. Malmberget, Gällivare, Lappland
Norway
28. Kongsberg silver Mines, Buskerud Fylke
Austria
29. Weißeck Mt. (incl. Rauchkopf Mt.; Rieding lake; Riedingscharte), Murwinkel, Lungau, Salzburg
30. Hirschau quarry, Böckstein, Gastein valley, Hohe Tauern Mts, Salzburg
AMERICA
USA
31. Blanchard Mine, New Mexico
32. Fluorspar district, Illinois (Denton, Minerva #1, Annabel Lee, Cave in Rock)
33. Elmwood mine, Carthage, Tennessee
34. Hardin County, Illinois
35. Pine Canyon Deposit, West Burro Mts, Burro Mountains District, Grant Co., New Mexico
36. American Tunnel, Howardsville, Silverton, San Juan Co, Colorado
37. William Wise Mine, Westmoreland, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire
38. Oatman District, Black Mts, Mohave Co., Arizona
39. Penfield, Monroe Co, New York
MEXICO
40. Naica, Chihuahua
41. Tule Mine and Sabinal Mine, Melchor Muzquiz, Coahuila
PERU
42. Huanzala Mine, Huallanca District, Dos de Mayo Province, Huánuco Department
AFRICA
Namibia
43. Okorusu Mine (Okarusu Mine), Otjiwarongo District, Otjozondjupa Region
44. Erongo Mts.
44b. Groot Spitzkopje Swakopmund District, Erongo Region
44c. Orange River, Warmbad, Great Namaqualand, Karas Region
Morocco
45. El Hammam Mine, Mount Hammam, Meknès, Meknès Prefecture, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
46. Erfoud, Er Rachidia Province, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
47. Tounfit, Boumia, Khénifra Province, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
48. Aouli, Upper Moulouya lead district, Midelt, Khénifra Province, Meknès-Tafilalet Region
South Africa
49. Riemvasmaak, Kakamas District, Northern Cape Province
49b. Jan Coetzee Copper Mine, Okiep Copper District, Namaqualand, Northern Cape Province
ASIA
Pakistan
50. Chumar Bakhoor, Hunza Valley, Gilgit District, Northern Areas
China
51. Shangbao Pyrite mine, Leiyang Co., Hengyang Prefecture, Hunan Province
52. Yaogangxian Mine, Yizhang Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province
53. Xianghualing Mine, Xianghualing Sn-polymetallic ore field, Linwu Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province
54. Xianghuapu Mine (Maiwan Mine), Xianghualing Sn-polymetallic ore field, Linwu Co., Chenzhou Prefecture, Hunan Province
India
55. Mahodari, Nasik District, Maharashtra
Japan
56. Obira mine, Ono-gun, Oita prefecture, Kyushu Island
Russia
57. Dal'negorsk, Primorskiy Kray, Far-Eastern Region
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 10:59 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Antonio,
Thanks for taking all the time to compile the localities, manage the voting, publish the results and provide this list.
Bob
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 14:47 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Hi Antonio,
Just a small amendment needed on the following:
1. North Pennines Orefield, (including Rogerley, Hitlton, Botsburn, Rotherhope Fell, Florence Mine, Ullcoats Mine…)
The Florence and Ullcoats mines are not in the North Pennines Orefield but are to be found in west Cumbria.
Hope this helps.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 16:24 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Thanks Philip for your kind help. I have just corrected it.
Thanks Bob for your support and your always right comments.
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Thomas Uhlig
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 04:55 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Antonio Alcaide wrote: | The final but not comprehensive list:
6. Erzgiberg Region, Saxony
8. Zehntausend Ritter Mine, Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony
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Hi there,
I would suggest two small amendments too:
* "Erzgiberg Region" should be corrected to: "Erzgebirge Region".
* "Zehntausend Ritter Mine" is a very problematic name for the locality actually meant by it. Since the beginning of the 1990's a lot of Fluorite specimens have been appearing from the Frohnau mining area near Annaberg-Buchholz, Erzgebirge, Saxony. At first they were mostly labelled as to come from the "10000 (=Zehntausend) Ritter Mine". This in some cases is correct, in many other it is not. The 10000 Ritter Mine is only one of at least 30 mines or tunnels in a quite small area in Frohnau. Most of them are connected subterraneous to each other. Meanwhile one knows, that many of the Frohnau specimens come from the "Bergmännisch Glück Flacher" vein. This ist one of the main veins in the district and strikes many different minefields. Other well known areas in Frohnau, producing good Fluorite specimens are e.g. the Bäuerin Mine or Shaft 78. Some of the famous black fluorites (there are at least 3 different varieties of) are supposed to come from the "Auf der Krönung Stehender" vein in the 10000 Ritter mine area. Many others of the black ones are coming from the "Bergmännisch Glück Flacher" vein. This vein produced a very wide range of varieties, for instance the spectacular finds of outside green, stepped Fluorites with inner orange, blue and purple colour zones and the yellow-orange fluorites with inner purple zone, associated with Galena. The very rare intense blue Fluorites came from Shaft 78. The recently offered specimens with red phantom cubes inside, very seldom spectacular associated with fine lustrous rosy Baryte plates come from the Bäuerin mine, which delivered also green, dark purple, lemon yellow and reddish Fluorite cubes, most of them high lustrous with a characteristic green-white layered matrix.
To shorten it, I would suggest to name this locality just Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, because more than just one single mine produced the nice fluorite specimens.
Here are only a few examples of "non-black" Fluorites from Frohnau. This could be extended, if of interest.
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rare blue Fluorite crystals up to 0.7 cm, dimensions of the specimen: 4.5 x 3 x2cm, Shaft 78, Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany |
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Fluorite crystals up to 6cm with green, purple, blue and orange colour zones, dimensions of the specimen: 25 x 9.5 cm, Bergmännisch Glück Flacher vein, Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany |
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Fluorite crystals up to 5cm, with Galena, dimensions of the specimen: 7 x 7 cm, Bergmännisch Glück Flacher vein, Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 09:21 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Thomas Uhlig wrote: |
I would suggest two small amendments too:
* "Erzgiberg Region" should be corrected to: "Erzgebirge Region".
To shorten it, I would suggest to name this locality just Frohnau, Erzgebirge, Saxony, because more than just one single mine produced the nice fluorite specimens.
Here are only a few examples of "non-black" Fluorites from Frohnau. This could be extended, if of interest. |
First of all, Thomas, welcome to this message board. Your amendments are welcome too. I have just correct the list. I did not know the fluorites coming from there. They are amazing. I am sure the rest of minsurfers will be pleased if you upload more photos (I am also interested in black fluorites , could you show us one of them?).
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 10:44 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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Here are some more Fluorite specimens from Frohnau, at first 3 varieties of black or almost black Fluorites.
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deep black, a bit rough textured Fluorite crystals up to 1 cm, dimensions of the specimen: 4.5 x 3 x 2.5 cm, Auf der Krönung Stehender vein, 10000 Ritter Mine, Frohnau |
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dark purple, almost black appearing Fluorite crystals up to 1.6 cm, Bergmännisch Glück Flacher vein, Frohnau |
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lustrous, outside black Fluorite crystals with orange inner cores up to 0.8 cm with Dolomite, dimensions of the specimen: 5 x 3 x 3 cm, Stollen Frisch Glück, Frohnau |
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Thomas Uhlig
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 11:01 Post subject: Re: For the fluorite lovers: What are your favourite localities? |
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And here are some more "non-black" varieties (but there exist much more)
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lustrous yellow Fluorite crystals with blue outer zones up to 0.8 cm, dimensions of the specimen: 4.5 x 3.5 x 2 cm, Frohnau |
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rare yellow-blue Fluorite crystals up to 1.3 cm on Quartz, Frohnau |
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grey Fluorite crystals with dark purple cores and blue outer zones up to 1.7 cm, showing colour change to blue-green in sunlight, dimensions of the specimen: 8 x 6.5 x 4 cm, Shaft 78, Frohnau |
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yellow-brown Fluorite crystals with red cores up to 1.1 cm with Baryte, dimensions of the specimen: 11.5 x 8.5 x 5.5 cm, Bäuerin mine, Frohnau |
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orange-brown Fluorite crystals with purple zones up to 1.1 cm with Dolomite, dimensions of the specimen: 5.5 x 3.5 x 2.5 cm, Bergmännisch Glück Flacher vein, Frohnau |
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