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PostPosted: May 02, 2025 02:20    Post subject: Ghost dendrite  

Years ago I cut a beautiful clear opal cabochon with a beautiful well-centered black dendrite. The best quality of that cabochon was that it was from Cabo de Gata, Almeria, Spain a little-known location for gemological materials. After 12 years something happened to my dendrite. Can anyone suggest what happened? The photos are taken with the same camera and in the same microstudio without any processing.


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PostPosted: May 02, 2025 02:23    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

Hi Marco
Interesting question. It looks as if the iron (?) oxide / hydroxides may have undergone some form of slow hydration through uptake of moisture from the atmosphere and diffused through the microstructure of the opal.
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PostPosted: May 02, 2025 17:55    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

I can think of a couple of unlikely possibilities:

1) Aqueous mobilization - It seems hard to me to mobilize through dissolution these Fe/Mn oxides in such a static environment because i can't imagine it becoming much more reduced/acidic.

2) Some solid-state phenomena - 12 years seems too short a time for solid-state phenomena, especially at these PT conditions.

3) Mobilization of solid particles in a moving fluid. Small particles do move through porous media, but it is hard to believe that the pores here are large enough and the movement of water large enough to spread solid particles out.

4) Some way that the Fe/Mn oxides have become less opaque or that the opal covering them has become more opaque.
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PostPosted: May 02, 2025 18:22    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

I'm curious to know whether the cabochon has been regularly or continuously exposed to light. Also, it's interesting that no change occurred to the more opaque inclusions to the upper right. It might be useful, also, to see a photo of the back of the cabochon.
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PostPosted: May 02, 2025 18:34    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

This is an amazing change!

Does any part of the dendrite intersect the surface of the cabochon, including the "stem"?

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PostPosted: May 03, 2025 04:17    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

I show you the back of the cabochon made of white opal. The dendrite is all inside. This is the drawer where it has been for 13 years. The only change was the addition of the azurite and malachite samples. The malachite is unpolished and when I bought it it still smelled of kerosene. Can be kerosene fumes responsible? Many samples of dendritic agates share the same drawer.


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PostPosted: May 03, 2025 05:51    Post subject: Re: Ghost dendrite  

The malachite looks polished to me?
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