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Amir Akhavan
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Posted: Jan 26, 2023 13:53 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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I'm surprised fluorite fake loops are still sold.
https://www.mindat.org/mesg-563562.html
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alfredo
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Posted: Jan 26, 2023 15:40 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Let's note too that Nature has no method for making loops of spheres like that. Spherules, whether their internal structure is radiating or concentric, start growing from a point in the center. How would all those little central seed points remain suspended in a loop formation before they grew big enough to contact each other?
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minsur
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Posted: Jan 26, 2023 17:31 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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So are the Colombian "mango quartzes", or the Moroccan (and quite a few German) wire silvers....Far and between, a few orange coloured Moroccan anglesites from the eighties also surface. Just to name the most known fakes of the last decades, but there are many more, although less known.
What an involved dealer does not know or does know - we will never know.
I guess I am not too wrong in my belief, that this may utterly depend on his position in the equity, i.e. specimens in question.
Using stock market terms in this context looks perfectly appropriate nowadays, regarding the insane and ever inflating number of zeroes on price tags. Even for this Brazilian green, crumbly stuff that is supposedly "for rent" only...;-)
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 22:11 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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I would like to request that the site monitors make two clarifications or corrections:
1 - Helmut Merchant (Mineral Decor) has added proper signage to those "loop fluorites" in his room. Even reputable dealers can be misled.
2 - The "rumor" of a second Milpillas Mine is wrong. What I wrote;
"there's a mini-Milpillas mine nearby that is producing great material but in limited quantities and lots of zeros in the price."
should be deleted.
many thanks,
bob
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 22:16 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Spirifer Minerals have a case with two shelves of what - at first - look like quartz but are calcites. Location is given as Gunung Kerlang, Malaysia.
bob
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 22:28 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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The new dealership of Valley Crystals - located in the Top Gem annex - has some of those botryoidal chrysocolla coating quartz points from Peru (these came out last year but these are much better) and also some excellent amethyst from Guerrero, México. Recent amethyst from Guerrero have been somewhat lack luster but these are much more like traditional Guerrero material.
bob
Mineral: | Chrysocolla on Quartz |
Locality: | Tentadora Mine, Ullpac Mountain, Huancano District, Pisco Province, Ica Department, Peru |  |
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 22:42 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Interesting quartzes with hematite inclusions have been coming out of India for a year or two now but thanks to the coaching of the miners by Bryan Lynch of Schwartz Fine Minerals (E4), this year's batch is much better than any before. The phantoms are shiny, so they are probably specular hematite.
bob
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 22:55 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Gerry Austin in the Lehigh Minerals room in the Top Gem annex has/had a limited number of floater pyrite dodecahedrons (5 sided 3-D shape) from the Bingham Canyon Mine, Utah (5290 level). According to Gerry, these formed in a cerussite clay and were a single find.
bob
Mineral: | Gerry Austin with dodecahedral pyrite |
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 23:11 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Philip Persson of Persson Rare Minerals had a few "re-new" finds.
1 - a new find of those lustrous and gemmy shalerites from China including one specimen with a huge crystal.
2 - a find near the Daoping Mine of pyromorphite was on display. These are similar to the previous finds of the area but are more reminiscent of the historical Wheatley, PA material.
3 - Thunder Bay amethyst - distinctive and interesting
4 - Cuprites from China. Kinda small and busy but definitely a nice find.
bob
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minsur
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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 18:35 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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bob kerr wrote: |
I would like to request that the site monitors make two clarifications or corrections:
1 - Hemant Merchant (Mineral Decor) has added proper signage to those "loop fluorites" in his room. Even reputable dealers can be misled.
2 - The "rumor" of a second Milpillas Mine is wrong. What I wrote;
"there's a mini-Milpillas mine nearby that is producing great material but in limited quantities and lots of zeros in the price."
should be deleted.
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Finally, a really honest dealer indeed! Taking the loss.
By far not the only one having been fooled. Even absolute top dealers were and still get hit. More to come......
Facing the probability of having been fooled and therefore the threat of having to throw a substantial or even the major part of your inventory in the bin (for example these Colombian fake "mango quartzes", where VERY heavy bets were made), is certainly not an easy task...
Thank you very much for your posts and please keep going on - they are really appreciated from old Europe!:-)
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 21:08 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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minsur wrote: |
Finally, a really honest dealer indeed! Taking the loss.
By far not the only one having been fooled. Even absolute top dealers were and still get hit.)
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I was going through some of the Tucson photos from last year and found the attached. This was taken in Scott Rudolf's room at the Westward Look. Scott is among the top end of the top end collectors and has numerous top end dealers assisting him,
This photo shows many of his masterpiece specimens including 4 that are not for sale - notice the top shelf specimens - two "loop fluorites" are included.
Nothing else to say.
bob
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 22:10 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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Chinese mineral dealer Mr. Hong of Qixing Minerals had to miss the last two Tucson Shows due to the covid pandemic but this year he returned and is in Min City Room B9. Welcome back.
Hong and his sister Lin had some excellent examples of Chinese minerals and also one new find - yellow-green botryoidal fluorites from Wuyi, Zhejiang Province. See photos.
bob
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bob kerr

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 22:29 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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It's always a pleasure to visit the room of Luis Burillo - for many years he has provided collectors excellent specimens for reasonable prices - especially at his keystone table.
New this year were wonderful green fluorites from Peru - lustrous and gemmy.
Luis specializes in the minerals of Panasqueira and as usual he had some great specimens - see photos.
On the keystone table I found this unique pseudomorph of chalcedony after anhydrite from Peru. It had to join my collection.
bob
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minsur
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Posted: Jan 29, 2023 08:18 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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bob kerr wrote: |
I was going through some of the Tucson photos from last year and found the attached. This was taken in Scott Rudolf's room at the Westward Look. Scott is among the top end of the top end collectors and has numerous top end dealers assisting him,
This photo shows many of his masterpiece specimens including 4 that are not for sale - notice the top shelf specimens - two "loop fluorites" are included.
Nothing else to say.
bob
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Absolutely. I do not want to know the number of zeros wiped out there. What is such a piece of "mineral art" finally "worth"? 50 bucks? 100? No idea.
Unlike in the recent case of fake Mexican blue hemimorphites, where proof was kind of easy and, far more important, almost instantly at hand, many folks, dealers as well as collectors, prefer to, or, due to economic factors, have to ignore the facts and keep going on as usual. So, lots of "loop fluorites", "mango quartzes", lab (or even garage) grown "wire silvers", Tadjikistan "heliodors", zipped tourmalines and topazes (I must stop now, otherwise the list would become too long!) will greet us for many more years to come.
Just a side note - when you have watched some of the notorious YouTube video clips showing "mineral prepping", you do not want to own such a specimen either. But this is another topic - better not to begin with!;-)
The classic rule of thumb comes to mind - if it looks fake and/or too good to be true, it usually is... At some moments, ambition (and greed) may mislead our instincts and the fakers know that all too well:-((
After all that's written, I will not comment further on the Russian gold octahedrons;-) Only that I remember a lot of really, really truly outstanding pieces of a similar kind, brought to market by an absolute top notch dealership about a decade or so ago, apparently analyzed at the time. But doubts remained and rumours kept going on. Within quite a short time, they disappeared completely and this to the extent that, as of today, neither a single pic, nor even the locality is registered on mindat, so...
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Posted: Jan 29, 2023 22:37 Post subject: Re: Tucson Shows 2023 - let the fun begin |
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The Wulfenita dealership was unpacking the recent find of rhodochrosite from the Potosi Mine in Santa Eulalia, MX for display in both their room in Building A of Min City and also at the Vault room of Crystal Classics. I believe Wulfenita is a "subsidiary" of Crystal Classics.)
The crystal form is botryoidal, and the color is a bit pale.
The ones to be displayed in the Vault room are the top end pieces so I'll show what was being handled today and update later when the Vault rooms open.
bob
Mineral: | Rhodochrosite |
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Mineral: | Rhodochrosite |
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Mineral: | Rhodochrosite |
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