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Jordi Fabre
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 Posted: Feb 24, 2019 18:17 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - Miscellany of images of the TGMS (2) |
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| Jordi Fabre wrote: | | A miscellany of images "rough", as taken by Jordi Deusedes. |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Feb 24, 2019 18:21 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - Miscellany of images of the TGMS (3) |
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| Jordi Fabre wrote: | | Jordi Fabre wrote: | | A miscellany of images "rough", as taken by Jordi Deusedes. |
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Jordi Fabre
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Benj
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2019 13:13 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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Thank you for your welcoming Jordi and Gail ! ;)
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2019 14:02 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1) |
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| In Tucson 2019 bob kerr wrote: |
Some thoughts about the 2019 Tucson Shows and next year:
- There was really nothing new this year – at least of significance. There were some small finds but nothing to really get the crowd excited. This is the 5th year in a row I’ve made this comment. Am I just jaded or is the “Golden Age of Minerals” coming to (or has come to?) an end?...
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Sorry to disagree Bob. I believe that what's happening is not that there are not "nothing new" but that those new discoveries runs hidden.
Why? the mineral business is becoming sophisticated, as all these new venues so well described by Bob proves, and due to that sophistication and the not so large quantity of specimens of the different new discoveries found compared with the past times, whom has the chance to have the jackpot of some new discovery him don't offer it publicly because the number of hi-end collectors and dealers who will be interested for something new exceed largely the number of good pieces of any new find, so is much easier and faster sell it out of sight than display it in any kind of venue.
Let me propose several examples of it in this post and in a second post that I will publish as soon as I finish the analysis, cleaning, trimming, photographing, etcetera…
- An impressive pocket of extremely red Proustites on Calcite appeared, shared in two different finds, during December 2018 in the Bouismas Mine, Bou Azzer area, Morocco. One of the best pieces was one extraordinary crystal of Proustite, single, without Calcite neither matrix, but 7 cm. long and 1.5 cm. thick. Comparable with the best pieces of Chañarcillo.
- Fine Chalcopyrites, some times with Galena on the crystals of Chalcopyrite, and related with Quartz and Calcite from El Bolivar Mine, Piedras Verdes (Triguito), Municipio Urique, Chihuahua, Mexico, mined in October 2018. The mine is operating so good possibilities for more/new future finds.
- Not brand new because is an old-classic locality, but as far as I know these Xenotimes from Ibiajara, Brazil, are much better than the known before due its quality and size as well as the association of Rutile needles
- Another new discovery of Fluorite from the apparently inexhaustible deposits of this mineral in China. Not clear yet the locality but at least Quanzhou Prefecture in Fujian Province seems to be correct. Spectacular dichroism on these Fluorites with a color change between blue and green according the kind of light and / or the exfoliation planes
More to come…
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| Locality: | | Bouismas Mine, Agdz, Bou Azzer mining district, Zagora Province, Drâa-Tafilalet Region, Morocco |  |
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| Mineral: | Proustite on Calcite |
| Locality: | | Bouismas Mine, Agdz, Bou Azzer mining district, Zagora Province, Drâa-Tafilalet Region, Morocco | |
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| Mineral: | Chalcopyrite with Quartz and Calcite |
| Locality: | | El Bolivar Mine, Piedras Verdes (Triguito), Municipio Urique, Chihuahua, Mexico | |
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| Mineral: | Xenotime with Rutile inclusions |
| Locality: | | Ibiajara District, Rio do Pires, Bahia, Northeast Region, Brazil | |
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| Mineral: | Fluorite and Quartz |
| Locality: | | Quanzhou Prefecture, Fujian Province, China | |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2019 14:50 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1 - addendum) |
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Addendum:
The indefatigable Milpillas Mine surprised us again with something new that I will introduce in my next post when this new discovery have its proper analysis ready. On the meantime, not new at all, but clearly different than the previous ones, few flat and gemmy Azurites appeared there in December 2018 and January 2019
| Mineral: | Azurite |
| Locality: | | Milpillas Mine, Cuitaca, Municipio Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mexico | |
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Paul Bordovsky
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| Posted: Mar 04, 2019 01:09 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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Jordi, here is another specimen of the new find from Piedras Verdes, about 17 cm. I did not get this in Tucson. The miners brought some specimens to the New Mexico Mineral Symposium in November. The calcite is also fluorescent.
| Mineral: | Calcite, Quartz, Chalcopyrite |
| Locality: | | El Bolivar Mine, Piedras Verdes (Triguito), Municipio Urique, Chihuahua, Mexico | |
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| Posted: Mar 04, 2019 02:48 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1-addendum) |
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| Jordi Fabre wrote: | The indefatigable Milpillas Mine surprised us again with something new that I will introduce in my next post when this new discovery have its proper analysis ready. On the meantime, not new at all, but clearly different than the previous ones, few flat and gemmy Azurites appeared there in December 2018 and January 2019
Dimensions: 3.6 x 2.6 cm
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What an incredible specimen!!! I'm not that much into azurite, but that one ... wow!
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bob kerr
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| Posted: Mar 04, 2019 13:04 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1) |
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[quote="Jordi Fabre"] | wrote: |
Sorry to disagree Bob. I believe that what's happening is not that there are not "nothing new".
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Jordi - there's no need to be sorry at all. There's no one (or even 3-4!) person(s) who can see all the doings at the many show venues. The more eyes reporting, the better as far as i'm concerned.
However, I find your examples of "new finds" to be much less than inspiring.
- The new proustites would indeed be very interesting (but how many and how big are they??),
- a new sulfide find? well, mildly interesting
- a new azurite sytle from Milpillas? there's been dozens of styles that have come out over the last decade or so (including the flat-ish crystals)
- gemmy or transparent azurite? are you sure? I await your further analysis but the photo you posted looks to me like the typical very thin layer of azurite over pseudo malachite after azurite base only lighter blue. A true gemmy or transparent azurite would indeed get lots of attention. (Would certainly like to hear Peter Megaw chime in here.)
- another Chinese fluorite find? I think I'm like most collectors, we've lost track of the huge variety of Chinese fluorites - I think I've seen this crystal form previously - but maybe not displaying dichroism - but then again maybe the previous ones did but I never looked that closely.
I guess I would consider the examples you posted as falling into the category of "small finds but nothing to really get the crowd excited".
Your thought about sales being "hidden" and "it's much easier and faster sell it out of sight than display it in any kind of venue" is bothersome to me. I cannot debate your observation (since the transactions were hidden) and they no doubt indeed happen - but to me, a find of any significance would also produce lots of lesser specimens that would make it to the general market.
so, maybe we have a difference in the definition of "new".
bob
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Bob Harman
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| Posted: Mar 04, 2019 13:43 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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I find Paul Bordovsky's posting on this thread irrelevant to Tucson. It is a nice example and maybe from a new find, but has little directly to do with Tucson. Plus the fact that, in the first place, he did not get the example at that show. (For example, if I were to buy a new Milpillatas azurite from a high end dealer weeks prior to Tucson, it would not be directly relevant to Tucson and I would not include a picture of it it on this thread.)
Potential here for further confusing the Tucson thread.
I was briefly at the Tucson show; it was so large with so many venues including the tents with a few mining finds, that differing opinions are to be expected. These opinions, of course, include what is a "new" find and what constitutes a "significant" find etc etc.
My opinions, Bob
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Paul Bordovsky
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| Posted: Mar 04, 2019 17:03 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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Sorry, Bob. Did not mean to hijack the thread. I just thought it would illustrate a new find that has not been widely seen, but was mentioned in this thread.
| Bob Harman wrote: | | I find Paul Bordovsky's posting on this thread irrelevant to Tucson. It is a nice example and maybe from a new find, but has little directly to do with Tucson... |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Mar 16, 2019 13:13 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (2) |
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| In Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1) Jordi Fabre wrote: | | ...Let me propose several examples of it in this post and in a second post that I will publish as soon as I finish the analysis, cleaning, trimming, photographing, etcetera… |
Finally my reports about new discoveries will be split in three posts, so wait for the next (and last one) soon.
- In this second post I'm publishing what is so new that it appeared during the Show. Milpillas never ends to improve their standards and this time what was offered were Shattuckites, already listed from there, but these as inclusions inside Quartz crystals. I could be shocking but Quartz is one of the rarest species in Milpillas, and as far as I know no display specimens of this so common species (the second most abundant mineral in Earth) were found there before, and as far as I know never found before with Shattuckite inclusions. Although the end of this mine was largely announced it hasn't happened yet, so until its definitive final:
Long life to the Milpillas Mine!
- Not brand new but very interesting was also the material found in St. Lawrence County and a plethora of fine Graphites, Cr-rich Tremolites and other unusual species were displayed in Tucson. Their quality was excellent, equal or even superior to what the old collections and Museums have in their inventories.
- Not a Tucson's new discovery but totally new in the market are the Zunyites from Qualat-e-Balat salt dome, Bandar Abbas, Iran. They appeared for first time in Munich 2018 but these new ones are in my opinion better and sharper than the first ones and the presence of small Hematite on the crystals is an interesting addition.
More to come...
| Mineral: | Shattuckite inside Quartz and with minor Chrysocolla |
| Locality: | | Milpillas Mine, level 1100, Cuitaca, Municipio Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mexico | |
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| Mineral: | Shattuckite inside Quartz |
| Locality: | | Milpillas Mine, level 1100, Cuitaca, Municipio Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mexico | |
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| Mineral: | Cr-rich Tremolite with Graphite and Clinohumite |
| Locality: | | Washburn Farm, Macomb, Macomb Township, St. Lawrence County, New York, USA | |
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| One of the recent finds in St. Lawrence County, New York. This one was mined in May 2018 |
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| Mineral: | Zunyite with Hematite |
| Locality: | | Qalat-e Payeen salt dome, Bandar Abbas, Central District, Bandar Abbas County, Hormozgan Province, Iran | |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Mar 16, 2019 13:59 Post subject: Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (2 - addendum) |
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| In Tucson Show 2019 - The New Discoveries (1 - addendum) Jordi Fabre wrote: | | The indefatigable Milpillas Mine surprised us again with something new that I will introduce in my next post when this new discovery have its proper analysis ready. On the meantime, not new at all, but clearly different than the previous ones, few flat and gemmy Azurites appeared there in December 2018 and January 2019 |
One more of these unusual, gemmy, Azurites.
| Mineral: | Azurite on Dickite |
| Locality: | | Milpillas Mine, Cuitaca, Municipio Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mexico | |
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bob kerr
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| Posted: Mar 17, 2019 19:46 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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In the words of the "Master of Milpillas" Peter Megaw "MILPILLAS RULES!"
The shattuckite included quartz and gemmy azurites are just plain wonderful. While at the show, I like to follow what's going on at that mine, but none of these were at the usual haunts. I hope these finds are not limited to just a handful of specimens - now, no Milpillas suite would be complete without them.
Thanks Jordi - definitely a good find.
bob
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Mar 20, 2019 11:40 Post subject: Re: Tucson Show 2019 |
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Dont't miss the always excellent Gail's reports: Sunny Tucson, Gail Spann’s adventures. 2019
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