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Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal
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PostPosted: Jan 23, 2022 11:08    Post subject: Re: Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal  

Mark Holtkamp wrote:
... What colors do you see if you turn the crystal 90 degrees along the long axis? But maybe the crystal is too thick in this direction to get a good view of the colors.

Yes, too thick, in c-axis direction it looks completely dark in any position.
Thanks for your help, pleochroism question was very useful!
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PostPosted: Jan 26, 2022 09:03    Post subject: Re: Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal  

Mark Holtkamp wrote:
... the direction of extinction angles between crossed polarizers would be helpful.

I have not a petrographic microscope with nicols but I found two old "Polaroid" plastic glasses that can do the job:



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 Mineral: Titanite
 Locality:
Koksha Valley, Khash & Kuran Wa Munjan Districts, Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan
 Dimensions: 34 x 12 x 4 mm
 Description:
At left, extinction in vertical position. Also extinct when in horizontal position.

At right in most translucent position at 45º. It repeats translucence four times (every 90º) when rotating 360º.

That confirms it is biaxial? Sorry, I have my poor optics knowledge very oxidized.
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 Mineral: Titanite
 Locality:
Koksha Valley, Khash & Kuran Wa Munjan Districts, Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan
 Dimensions: 34 x 12 x 4 mm
 Description:
Same result using the polarized light of a computer screen and only one polarizing filter: Extinction in vertical and horizontal positions and translucence at 45º.
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 Mineral: Titanite
 Locality:
Koksha Valley, Khash & Kuran Wa Munjan Districts, Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan
 Dimensions: 34 x 12 x 4 mm
 Description:
Here between crossed polarizers and the computer screen (polarized light), a nonsense?
Now most extincted position is at 45º. In vertical is somewhat more translucent and it looks brownish. When horizontal also more translucent but greenish.
I'm unable to interpret it ...
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PostPosted: Jan 27, 2022 10:00    Post subject: Re: Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal  

Josele, the parallel extinction doesn't prove it is biaxial, it could still be uniaxial. But it is consistent with Pete's interpretation. If the photograps were taken along the b-axis, you would expect the extinction directions to make a large angle with the polarising directions.
I don't know what's going on in the last photograps but it looks like the polarisation directions of the sunglasses are not perpendicular?
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PostPosted: Jan 27, 2022 15:04    Post subject: Re: Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal  

Understood, thank you Mark.
Better we forget last image, these "polaroid" old glasses do very weird things when you turn one of them over facing the polarized computer light.
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PostPosted: Apr 22, 2022 14:58    Post subject: Re: Forms Involved in Titanite Crystal  

I have an untwinned single crystal of titanite from that area. I had it as from Mohmand Agency, Pakistan, not really near, but you know stones in these mountains walk with nomad peoples. It has many similarities with your crystal, color, elongation and is heavily included with actinolite-type mineral (looking white when inside, but looking black when outside of the titanite). Untwinned titanite crystal are very rare in hydrothermal veins, but common in volcanic miarolitic cavities, despite very small. The shape is simple and clear.


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 Mineral: Sphene
 Locality:
Mohmand District, Peshawar Division, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province, Pakistan
 Dimensions: 58 mm
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Mohmand District, Peshawar Division, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province, Pakistan
 Dimensions: 12 mm wide
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