We use cookies to show content based on your preferences. If you continue to browse you accept their use and installation. More information. >


FMF - Friends of Minerals Forum, discussion and message board
The place to share your mineralogical experiences


Spanish message board






Newest topics and users posts
16 Jul-17:31:41 The mizunaka collection - chalcoalumite (Am Mizunaka)
16 Jul-12:44:28 Architectural spinel from vietnam / #mvm (minerals - virtual museum) collection (Jordi Fabre)
16 Jul-12:18:23 New book: minerals of britain and ireland 2009-2024 - a review (Jordi Fabre)
16 Jul-09:38:43 Re: collection of michael shaw (Michael Shaw)
15 Jul-13:05:10 Sphalerite with calcite from Áliva, spain / #mvm (minerals - virtual museum) collection (Jordi Fabre)
15 Jul-11:32:34 Goesdorf mine (luxembourg) antimony (Roger Warin)
14 Jul-18:03:59 Malachite after azurite on goethite (Silvia)
14 Jul-16:43:05 The mizunaka collection - quartz (Am Mizunaka)
14 Jul-09:34:45 Re: collection of michael shaw (Michael Shaw)
13 Jul-12:19:45 Lazurite (lapis lazuli) from afghanistan / #mvm (minerals - virtual museum) collection (Jordi Fabre)
12 Jul-23:04:14 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Volkmar Stingl)
12 Jul-09:00:56 Re: the mim museum in beirut, lebanon (Mim Museum)
12 Jul-06:59:21 Re: collection from dany mabillard (Dany Mabillard)
12 Jul-00:49:24 Re: are there pyrite balls found in verzino? (Herwig)
12 Jul-00:25:14 Re: are there pyrite balls found in verzino? (Roger Warin)
12 Jul-00:08:38 Re: are there pyrite balls found in verzino? (Roger Warin)
11 Jul-17:36:07 The mizunaka collection - fluorite (Am Mizunaka)
11 Jul-14:14:25 Re: slice schalenblende (Mathias)
11 Jul-14:08:21 Re: czech rockhounding adventures – agates & amethysts (Stoner)
11 Jul-08:12:55 Czech rockhounding adventures – agates & amethysts (Stoner)
11 Jul-08:03:52 Re: are there pyrite balls found in verzino? (James Catmur)
11 Jul-02:33:28 Re: collection of michael shaw (Michael Shaw)
11 Jul-00:24:28 Re: collection of volkmar stingl (Volkmar Stingl)
10 Jul-13:46:07 Re: are there pyrite balls found in verzino? (Dany Mabillard)
10 Jul-13:45:53 Veszelyite from sanguozhuang, china / #mvm (minerals - virtual museum) collection (Jordi Fabre)

For lists of newest topics and postings click here


RSS RSS

View unanswered posts

Why and how to register

Index Index
 FAQFAQ RegisterRegister  Log inLog in
 {Forgotten your password?}Forgotten your password?  

Like
122723


The time now is Jul 17, 2025 18:49

Search for a textSearch for a text   

A general guide for using the Forum with some rules and tips
The information provided within this Forum about localities is only given to allow reference to them. Any visit to any of the localities requires you to obtain full permission and relevant information prior to your visit. FMF is strictly against any illicit activities related to collecting minerals.
Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?
  Goto page Previous  1, 2
  Index -> Minerals and Mineralogy
Like
17


View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message

Fiebre Verde




Joined: 11 Sep 2013
Posts: 944
Location: Paris Area


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 09, 2015 15:26    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

Roger Warin wrote:
hi,
I see I'm not the only one to admire Trapiches emeralds.
I saw 4 beautiful Trapiches at the last Munich Show.
I photographed under cross-polarized light one of them. We discover the crystal growth lines. Crystallization is one of the simplest methods to purify a mineral. The impurities are rejected in front of the solid phase taking shape.
This emerald comes from Muzo, Colombia. While other Muzo trapiches have rejected feldspars, this one had ejected carbonaceous impurities, always abundant in this Muzo shale.
That's what I think, do you?
Roger.


Roger, I can only second what Elise mentioned about your photographs. Please share more!
Regarding your comment about the rejected impurities - I guess all depends on the nature of the impurities found during the growth of the trapiche.
Muzo is best known for its high concentration of carbonaceous impurities but other type of impurities can also occur in the growth process. Not only feldspar (albite) but also monazite, K-feldspar (presumably adularia), epidote, apatite and zircon (Ohnenstetter & al., 1998 - Emeraudes Trapiches Colombiennes, L'Emeraude, Association Française de Gemmologie)
Gérard
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

marco campos-venuti




Joined: 09 Apr 2014
Posts: 234
Location: Sevilla


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 10, 2015 18:59    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

What about this?


IMG_1011 (Medium).JPG
 Mineral: Emerald trapiche crystal, Tucson 2011
 Locality:
Muzo mining district, Western Emerald Belt, Boyacá Department, Colombia
 Description:
 Viewed:  32286 Time(s)

IMG_1011 (Medium).JPG


Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
2
   

Roger Warin




Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 1243


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 11, 2015 03:25    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

It’s time to listen a master of crystallography.
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

Roger Warin




Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 1243


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 11, 2015 03:34    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

Thank you very much Elise, Gerard.

The word Trapiche has its origin in the name of ore grinding rolls in South America. It's a geological concept, perhaps earlier.
Isabella Pignatelli and all describe the phenomenon very well.

As the birefringence of emerald is very small, I used a trick to increase the retardation and thus accentuate colorations.
A gypsum plate is inserted between the trapiche and the polarizing filter. Its function is to add a known retardation. Gypsum produces a 550 nm red retardation.
This view is with the gypsum plate inserted most areas shift to first order yellow whereas a few shift to low second-order blue color.
Of course the sample is not a thin section. Its thickness is 4 mm.
Just for fun.
Roger.



Trapiche&gypse-B_R.jpg
 Mineral: Emerald - trapiche emerald
 Dimensions: thickness = 4 mm
 Description:
With a gypsum plate
 Viewed:  32153 Time(s)

Trapiche&gypse-B_R.jpg


Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
1
   

NellsRocks




Joined: 10 May 2015
Posts: 61
Location: Massachusetts


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 11, 2015 16:26    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

Forgive my newbie question, but these photos look a LOT like our local chiastolite. Can anyone explain in simple terms how these "patterns" are formed?
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

Vinoterapia




Joined: 03 Feb 2009
Posts: 181
Location: Houston, Tx


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Dec 12, 2015 11:18    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

Hi Roger.

I do not know the meaning of the word "Trapiche" in the whole of South America, but at least in Venezuela, trapiche is a place where the sugar cane is processed to produce a highly alcoholic spirit, something like what in the US is known as "moonshine".

The cogwheels used to crush the sugar cane have some resemblance to the so called "trapiche emerald", thus probably that is the origin of the name.

Regards.

José Luis.
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   

Elise




Joined: 22 Dec 2009
Posts: 243
Location: New York State


Access to the FMF Gallery title=

View user's profile

Send private message

PostPosted: Mar 14, 2016 13:33    Post subject: Re: Best examples of trapiche emerald crystals?  

NellsRocks wrote:
Forgive my newbie question, but these photos look a LOT like our local chiastolite. Can anyone explain in simple terms how these "patterns" are formed?

Hi - I started a thread on trapiche nomenclature which includes chiastolite; hopefully some discussion will develop in answer your question: https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/viewtopic.php?p=49893#49893
Cheers,
Elise

_________________
Elise Skalwold
Back to top
Reply to topic Reply with quote
Like
   
Display posts from previous:   
   Index -> Minerals and Mineralogy   All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Page 2 of 2
  Goto page Previous  1, 2  

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


All pictures, text, design © Forum FMF 2006-2025


Powered by FMF