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Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016
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PostPosted: Nov 01, 2016 17:43    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

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These are excellent photos Fred considering the lighting conditions.

Your close-up 'munich2016-100.jpg' is a glowing emerald specimen which has been on display in various shows... glowing but fake!

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PostPosted: Nov 02, 2016 06:47    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

Fiebre Verde wrote:
ploum wrote:
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These are excellent photos Fred considering the lighting conditions.

Your close-up 'munich2016-100.jpg' is a glowing emerald specimen which has been on display in various shows... glowing but fake!

Gérard


Hi Gérard. Could you be more specific? Is it a genuine crystal but glued, or is the crystal a fake?

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PostPosted: Nov 02, 2016 18:09    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

Pierre Joubert wrote:
Fiebre Verde wrote:
ploum wrote:
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These are excellent photos Fred considering the lighting conditions.

Your close-up 'munich2016-100.jpg' is a glowing emerald specimen which has been on display in various shows... glowing but fake!

Gérard


Hi Gérard. Could you be more specific? Is it a genuine crystal but glued, or is the crystal a fake?


Hi Pierre
Here is a photo of the full specimen, from the 2015 Sainte-Marie mineral show.
Both crystals are included and show typical cracks distribution - no doubt that these are natural beryl crystals.
I find the (perfect) position of the left-hand side crystal suspiciously odd.
Also the small contact area between the central grey dolomite and that crystal is too clean to look natural - unfortunately this is not shown in the attached photo.
To me that crystal is glued.
Gérard



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PostPosted: Nov 06, 2016 06:47    Post subject: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016 - The New Discoveries  

Barcelona 11/05/2016

Here I am with a short summary of what have been my feelings in Munich 2016 and the new discoveries I've seen there.

The main novelty this year has certainly not been mineralogical but has been the total remodeling of the Hall A6, the "senior" Fair Pavilion, where are the best displays and the best specimens. It was as if an atomic bomb fell in the middle of the Hall and the center of the explosion (the "International Mineral Pavilion" and its surroundings) had remained more or less unscathed but all the rest had been sent violently outward. We'll see if this huge change will remain in the future but this year there were unhappy people, much confusion and, in the opinion of some, also a lower volume of business due to the loss of references. True or not, I also had great difficulty in finding people who I wanted to contact even after several days at the Show, so it's easy to assume that is what may have happened to those who were there only a day or two.
As said, we will see what happens next year… In my opinion the original idea of connect the main Show's Exhibits with the stands of the most spectacular specimens is not bad but the change this year has been so brutal that I would say that everything has creaked a little bit.

Let's go to what I have seen mineralogical. As announced, the real new discoveries have been very few, but something new always appears... Apart from the already mentioned Brochantites with or without Chrysocolla and with or without the Atacamite from the Los Azules Mine, Chile, in Morocco Imilchil remains generous and there have been many and varied things found there, highlighted by new spherical Malachite on Chrysocolla, very curious (assuming they really are from Imilchil). Bou Nahas remains prolific and produces among many other things some very nice lemon-yellow Barite with very thick crystals, and also highlighted was the presence for the first time (to my knowledge) of crystallized Cuprites from there. Bouismas and Tamdrost still are giving generously good Silvers and Proustites and Chebka Sidi Said (Aouli) has given very good yellow Fluorite on reddish Quartz and unlike the usual, in large pieces.

An exciting novelty was the presentation of Machinga, a locality in Malawi that although vaguely known in the past, now is being exploited again and giving (for now) excellent Niobophyllites and Eudidymites with thick, well-formed crystals between translucent and transparent. We'll see what will happen in the future but if all goes well it could be a new Mount Malosa.

I would also highlight the recent appearance in the classic Naipa mine, Mozambique, multicolored tourmalines very similar to those of the Santa Rosa mine in Brazil and the reappearance there of world class Stibiotantalites. Also I would like point out the continued presence of very aesthetic Pyrites from the "Atahualpa" level in the Huanzalá mine, Peru. They would surely be the most beautiful in the world if it were not the large amount of damage on the edges of the crystals that occur during the extraction of these specimens...

I had seen not much more to be admitted as "new" but as usual in this mega-show there were a multitude of interesting and/or extraordinary specimens, as well as the best "classics" you can imagine, especially from the European continent.

PS: thanks to John White for his help to make this text more comprehensible.



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PostPosted: Nov 06, 2016 17:20    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

Buenas noches Fiebre Verde
At least it is a eye-catching fake;-) In my opinion, specimens like this usually do not even need closer inspection, as they are by far much too "beautiful" to be the real thing. The layout of the hole thing so to speak just does not look natural.

By the way, I was truly amazed how many HIGHLY suspicous looking Emerald specimens were to be spotted, even in the Pavilon-zone with all the prestigious "Natural Art Dealers!"
I saw just one there marked as "repaired" (although an outright and plain glue job), but at least that.
Sometimes I am really wondering whether they do not know better or what happens there so far
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PostPosted: Nov 07, 2016 12:34    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

I wonder if anyone who went to Munich show has any news of a new find of fluorite from Huanggang mine? Specimens I've seen are on bladed calcite. The fluorite crystals are green, purple zoned with trisoctahedral crystals.

Also heard rumours that production in the mines is put on hold for the immediate future? Any confirmation on that?
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PostPosted: Nov 07, 2016 19:45    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

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Buenas noches Fiebre Verde
At least it is a eye-catching fake;-) In my opinion, specimens like this usually do not even need closer inspection, as they are by far much too "beautiful" to be the real thing. The layout of the hole thing so to speak just does not look natural.

By the way, I was truly amazed how many HIGHLY suspicous looking Emerald specimens were to be spotted, even in the Pavilon-zone with all the prestigious "Natural Art Dealers!"
I saw just one there marked as "repaired" (although an outright and plain glue job), but at least that.
Sometimes I am really wondering whether they do not know better or what happens there so far


Buenas noches Minsur
Eye-catching is an understatement - I saw that specimen at 4 different shows and the first impression was always the same. A really unique piece.
There was no point talking to the dealer about my suspicions - that was the only emerald specimen he had on display.
Colombian "craftsmen" are using more and more a cement adhesive mixed to crushed calcite or albite which of course makes the identification more difficult for the untrained eye.
Useless to say that emeralds account for a tiny fraction of the mineral specimen business and more and more dealers are now reluctant to take the risk of offering in-matrix specimens unless there is no doubt on their origin.
That does not prevent some man-made specimens to be on display at the most prestigious shows but a large amount of those specimens (impossible to give numbers here...) are sold informally in Bogota and around the mining areas.
The safest way to get emerald specimens is to know your source.
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PostPosted: Nov 09, 2016 03:49    Post subject: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016 - A lot of interesting images  

Paco is publishing a lot of interesting images of minerals from the Show in the Spanish side : https://www.foro-minerales.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=130168#130168
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PostPosted: Nov 12, 2016 16:41    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

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PostPosted: Nov 13, 2016 02:08    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

What an insane fluorite and smoky quartz combination on munich2016-105.jpg, how large was that world-class specimen?
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PostPosted: Nov 13, 2016 03:42    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

size = about 5 cm
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PostPosted: Nov 13, 2016 21:23    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

Some Munich photos.


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Amethyst from Las Vigas, Mexico, was remarkably abundant. There were two quite different types. A very fine and large example of the type with elongated delicate crystals and deeper color.
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PostPosted: Nov 13, 2016 21:42    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

More Munich photos.


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PostPosted: Nov 13, 2016 22:03    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

John

It is never too late for those of us who could not attend. Thank you

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PostPosted: Nov 15, 2016 10:41    Post subject: Re: Munich Show (Mineralientage) 2016  

Hi,
It is time for me to propose some memories of Mineralientage-München 2016.
Some silver specimens first, then a few beryls…
Roger.



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reticulated
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on acanthite
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Nagar, Hunza Valley, Nagar District, Gilgit-Baltistan (Northern Areas), Pakistan
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Muzo mining district, Western Emerald Belt, Boyacá Department, Colombia
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Khoroshiv (Volodarsk-Volynskii), Zhytomyr Oblast, Ukraine
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A very big one
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Kongsberg mining district, Kongsberg, Norway
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Hilfe Gottes Mine, Memmendorf, Oederan, Freiberg District, Erzgebirgskreis, Saxony/Sachsen, Germany
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