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Dany Mabillard
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 Posted: Jul 27, 2019 09:00 Post subject: Help needed for locations |
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Hello everybody,
I need some help to confirm or to obtain more detailed locations for some specimens.
Thank you in advance for your help.
| Mineral: | Gypsum |
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| Mineral: | Quartz (variety Amethyst) and Chalcedony |
| Locality: | | Uruguay | |
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| Mineral: | Fluorite |
| Locality: | | Schwarzwald, Baden-Württemberg, Germany | |
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| Mineral: | Gypsum |
| Locality: | | Australia | |
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| Mineral: | Baryte |
| Locality: | | Romania | |
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| Dimensions: | 120x70x60 mm |
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| Mineral: | Pyrite |
| Locality: | | Spain | |
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| Mineral: | Fluorite |
| Dimensions: | 48x35x30 mm |
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| Monte Sommo, Klausen, Südtirol, Austria ? |
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| Mineral: | Orpiment |
| Locality: | | Arizona, USA | |
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Bob Harman
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 09:30 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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DANY,
Your second photo of the amethyst , if from Uruguay would be from Artigas Uruguay, but the example is pretty generic looking so I might hedge a bit calling it "PROBABLY from Artigas, Uruguay.
Your fourth photo of the green gypsum, var. selenite would probably be from the Pernatty Lagoon locality near Mt. Gunson, Australia. At least that is what is seen on all the labels. BOB
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 09:59 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Bob Harman wrote: | DANY,
Your second photo of the amethyst , if from Uruguay would be from Artigas Uruguay, but the example is pretty generic looking so I might hedge a bit calling it "PROBABLY from Artigas, Uruguay.
Your fourth photo of the green gypsum, var. selenite would probably be from the Pernatty Lagoon locality near Mt. Gunson Australia. At least that is what is seen on all the labels. BOB |
Thanks Bob for your answer. Have à nice day.
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Michael Shaw
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 10:25 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Dany,
There are several localities in Tunisia and Algeria that produce this type of gypsum. If it is from Tunisia, it is likely from Grand Erg Oriental Desert, Douz, Tunisia.
The barite is from Baia Sprie, Maramures, Romania. The orange color is due to inclusions of realgar.
The orpiment is probably not from Arizona. More likely it is from the Getchell Mine, Humboldt County, Nevada. The black matrix is very similar to specimens from there.
Michael
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 11:03 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| michael shaw wrote: | Dany,
There are several localities in Tunisia and Algeria that produce this type of gypsum. If it is from Tunisia, it is likely from Grand Erg Oriental Desert, Douz, Tunisia.
The barite is from Baia Sprie, Maramures, Romania. The orange color is due to inclusions of realgar.
The orpiment is probably not from Arizona. More likely it is from the Getchell Mine, Humboldt County, Nevada. The black matrix is very similar to specimens from there.
Michael |
Thanks Michael. Have a nice week-end.
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Tobi
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 11:36 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Just my two cents concerning the localities:
- As Bob said, Pernatty Lagoon should be the origin of the Australian Gypsum and Artigas the origin of the specimen from Uruguay
- I also agree with Michael concerning the "desert rose", the barite and the orpiment
- Concerning the pyrite: Spain is possible, but my first thought was rather Peru
- No idea about the colourless fluorite, sorry. But wherever it comes from, your locality information "Monte Sommo, Klausen, Südtirol, Austria" is wrong because Südtirol / South Tyrol belongs to Italy, not to Austria ;-)
- Concerning the fluorite from Black Forest: There are several localites where such a fluorite in white and pale blue/green could come from, e.g. Hesselbach Mine, Ilse Mine, Clara Mine, Artenberg Quarry ...
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 27, 2019 13:10 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Tobi wrote: | Just my two cents concerning the localities:
- As Bob said, Pernatty Lagoon should be the origin of the Australian Gypsum and Artigas the origin of the specimen from Uruguay
- I also agree with Michael concerning the "desert rose", the barite and the orpiment
- Concerning the pyrite: Spain is possible, but my first thought was rather Peru
- No idea about the colourless fluorite, sorry. But wherever it comes from, your locality information "Monte Sommo, Klausen, Südtirol, Austria" is wrong because Südtirol / South Tyrol belongs to Italy, not to Austria ;-)
- Concerning the fluorite from Black Forest: There are several localites where such a fluorite in white and pale blue/green could come from, e.g. Hesselbach Mine, Ilse Mine, Clara Mine, Artenberg Quarry ... |
Thank you for the detailed information. I think I need to revise my geography. I'm quite sure the Pyrite is from Spain but I will try to get more information (I remember where he was situated in Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines).
Have a nice Saturday.
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 28, 2019 09:21 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Dany Mabillard wrote: | | Tobi wrote: | Just my two cents concerning the localities:
- As Bob said, Pernatty Lagoon should be the origin of the Australian Gypsum and Artigas the origin of the specimen from Uruguay
- I also agree with Michael concerning the "desert rose", the barite and the orpiment
- Concerning the pyrite: Spain is possible, but my first thought was rather Peru
- No idea about the colourless fluorite, sorry. But wherever it comes from, your locality information "Monte Sommo, Klausen, Südtirol, Austria" is wrong because Südtirol / South Tyrol belongs to Italy, not to Austria ;-)
- Concerning the fluorite from Black Forest: There are several localites where such a fluorite in white and pale blue/green could come from, e.g. Hesselbach Mine, Ilse Mine, Clara Mine, Artenberg Quarry ... |
Thank you for the detailed information. I think I need to revise my geography. I'm quite sure the Pyrite is from Spain but I will try to get more information (I remember where he was situated in Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines).
Have a nice Saturday. |
Thanks to the Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines 2019 map, I could find the exhibitor who sells "Piritas de Ambasaguas, Muro de Aguas, La Rioja"
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Jul 28, 2019 11:06 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Dany Mabillard wrote: | | ..Thanks to the Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines 2019 map, I could find the exhibitor who sells "Piritas de Ambasaguas, Muro de Aguas, La Rioja" |
Right Dany, but then maybe not from Ambasaguas but from Valdeperillos. Is a very close locality but with quite different crystallography than Ambasaguas. Anyway, waiting for next year when you can ask to the same seller more accurate details, you can label it as:
"Comarca Arnedo (Arnedo County), La Rioja, Spain"
which is not so precise but at least correct 😊
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 28, 2019 11:21 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Jordi Fabre wrote: | | Dany Mabillard wrote: | | ..Thanks to the Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines 2019 map, I could find the exhibitor who sells "Piritas de Ambasaguas, Muro de Aguas, La Rioja" |
Right Dany, but then maybe not from Ambasaguas but from Valdeperillos. Is a very close locality but with quite different crystallography than Ambasaguas. Anyway, waiting for the next year when you can ask to the same seller more accurate details, you can label it as:
"Comarca Arnedo (Arnedo County), La Rioja, Spain"
which is not so precise but at least correct 😊 |
Thank you Jordi. I'll do how you said..
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Bob Morgan
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| Posted: Jul 28, 2019 13:21 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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With regard to the pyrite, what is the matrix like? Is it more like hardened clay or something else? The cracked crystals seem to indicate stronger pressure and harder matrix.
I've looked through the Spanish pyrite photos on Mindat and do not find anything that looks like a match.
There's not much shown from Rio Tinto. Could this be from that area?
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Jul 28, 2019 14:10 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Bob Morgan wrote: | With regard to the pyrite, what is the matrix like? Is it more like hardened clay or something else? The cracked crystals seem to indicate stronger pressure and harder matrix.
I've looked through the Spanish pyrite photos on Mindat and do not find anything that looks like a match.
There's not much shown from Rio Tinto. Could this be from that area? |
Thank you for the answer. My specimen is without matrix. The man who sold me the Pyrite was selling several flats with the same type of Pyrites. I will try to post to the Spanish version of the forum. I'm quite sure to get more information.
Have a nice week.
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J.L.Carrizo
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| Posted: Jul 29, 2019 02:49 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Hi, sure that Riotinto is not.
Greetings.
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Jul 29, 2019 03:17 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| J.L.Carrizo wrote: | Hi, sure that Riotinto is not.
Greetings. |
| Bob Morgan wrote: | | ..I've looked through the Spanish pyrite photos on Mindat and do not find anything that looks like a match... |
Bob, don't take it bad, but looking through the Mindat images can give some references but not a full overview.
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2019 07:34 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Hello everyone,
I've another doubt about the location of this Wulfenite. Someone told me it's from Touissit, Touissit-Bou Beker District, Jerada Province, L'oriental Region, Morocco with a Dolomite matrix. Somebody could confirm ?
Thank you in advance for your comments.
| Mineral: | Wulfenite |
| Locality: | | Morocco | |
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| Dimensions: | 100 mm x 40 mm x 50 mm |
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| Mineral: | Wulfenite |
| Locality: | | Morocco | |
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| Dimensions: | 100 mm x 40 mm x 50 mm |
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| Mineral: | Wulfenite |
| Locality: | | Morocco | |
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| Dimensions: | 100 mm x 40 mm x 50 mm |
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| Mineral: | Wulfenite |
| Locality: | | Morocco | |
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| Dimensions: | 100 mm x 40 mm x 50 mm |
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| Mineral: | Wulfenite |
| Locality: | | Morocco | |
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| Dimensions: | 100 mm x 40 mm x 50 mm |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2019 07:37 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Shaft XI, Touissit.
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2019 08:27 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Jordi Fabre wrote: | | Shaft XI, Touissit. |
Thank you Jordi for your answer, but I have tried to find photos on the Internet without success. I've found photos for Wulfenite on Dolomite in Sidi Amer but not in Shaft XI. Could give me more precision if you have time (I know you're busy) ?
1000 Thanks.
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Oct 06, 2019 12:30 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Hello,
maybe someone could help me to find the location with the help of the old label.
Thank you in advance.
| Mineral: | Fluorite, Quartz, Calcite and Siderite |
| Dimensions: | 70 mm x 50 mm x 35 mm |
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| Mineral: | Fluorite, Quartz, Calcite and Siderite |
| Dimensions: | 70 mm x 50 mm x 35 mm |
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Jordi Fabre
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| Posted: Oct 06, 2019 12:38 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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| Dany Mabillard wrote: | | Jordi Fabre wrote: | | Shaft XI, Touissit. |
Thank you Jordi for your answer, but I have tried to find photos on the Internet without success. I've found photos for Wulfenite on Dolomite in Sidi Amer but not in Shaft XI. Could give me more precision if you have time (I know you're busy) ?
1000 Thanks. |
Is not so easy to explain this. Will you attend Munich Show? if you attend it I can explain you personally why and with some examples...
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Dany Mabillard
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| Posted: Oct 06, 2019 13:27 Post subject: Re: Help needed for locations |
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Hello Jordi,
Unfortunately I'll not present in Germany this year but I hope in SMAM next year and have a chance to meet you especially in order to thank you in person for the quality of this forum and the time you've dedicated for so many years.
For the explanation, don't worry, I know you're very busy.
Have à nice evening.
Dany.
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