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Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?
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PostPosted: Jul 14, 2020 22:59    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Clearly chabazite and stilbite in the matrix. The small crystal on the black quartz is also quartz (2nd generation).
My guess is still Wulian.

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PostPosted: Jul 15, 2020 14:44    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

briggzi31 wrote:
about as opaque as black obsidian


I have Obsidian that is totally transparent (although my best piece was stolen)
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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2020 03:04    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Hi to everybody! James, yes, transparent obsidian DOES exist, it's called "apache tears", small spheres in perlite, from Arizona, USA and Mexico (I don't remember the proper locality anymore, I apologize).
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briggzi31 wrote:
about as opaque as black obsidian


I have Obsidian that is totally transparent (although my best piece was stolen)

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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2020 03:29    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Volkmar Stingl wrote:
I've never heard of. Can you post the link to this web page, please?


you need to use Google search: China Neolithic Minerals; (btw - this person have not a big clue about minerals so be patient and don't treat all descriptions too serious :)).
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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2020 06:06    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Hi,

Now I found it. When checking the chabazite pictures, I must admit, they look also similar, except one difference: Most of the chabazite from Tongbei is combined with clear quartz, only few with smokeys (additionally, I am amazed at the missing spessartines). So I agree, it could be a possible source. Additionally, Ottens mentions few chabazites from pegmatites near Babu, Guangxi Zhuang, in his book from 2008.
So I have to relativise my statement, the piece could be also from other places than Wulian.

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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2020 07:20    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Riccardo Modanesi wrote:
Hi to everybody! James, yes, transparent obsidian DOES exist, it's called "apache tears", small spheres in perlite, from Arizona, USA and Mexico (I don't remember the proper locality anymore, I apologize).
Greetings from Italy by Riccardo.


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briggzi31 wrote:
about as opaque as black obsidian


I have Obsidian that is totally transparent (although my best piece was stolen)


Riccardo, I have transparent obsidian tools from when I lived in Mexico (as a child). Mainly from Tepoztlán, Morelos, Mexico but who knows where the Aztecs got the obsidian from
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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2020 13:49    Post subject: Re: Opaque black Quartz, Locality info/matrix info?  

Thank you all for your hard work!! It means so much to me.

@Volkmar, the second quartz makes more sense that spessartine, I just assumed because the color matches spessartines, and it was transparent and smokey/spessartines is a common combination found in China. But I see now that the elongated shape would suggest quartz.

To clarify what I mean when I said as opaque as black obsidian, I meant as opaque as the massive black obsidian that is very commonly available. I have picked some up myself on the coast of California, as well as near Portland, Oregon. When held up to a light, only the edges where the quartz crystal is very thin are transparent, and only slightly so, just like massive black obsidian is. I have included a picture from my collection for reference. Hope that clears up any confusion!

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Sam



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