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PostPosted: May 31, 2020 05:04    Post subject: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Although Ukraine has a large mining industry, I see few specimens coming from Ukraine. Why is that? Are there interesting minerals there? From what I see, they have some amazing heliodors and cinnabars. What else?
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PostPosted: May 31, 2020 06:01    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Certainly there are interesting minerals in every country on earth. Ukraine is in a region of war and politcal unrest in recent years so they've had plenty of other concerns than a mere hobby. No doubt many great specimens have gone through the crushers in the mining industry for resource and economic needs. Fossicking in troubled regions is less relaxing when you may get shot or maimed from unexploded ordnance. There will be specimens continuously emerging but in small numbers and getting them out of the country may be difficult too.

This raises an interesting thought. Countries recovering from conflict anywhere in the world need to rebuild economically as well as their physical infrastructure. I imagine it presents opportunities for building relationships with the locals involved in road building activities to keep an eye out for interesting specimens while bulldozing etc.

I just think local troubles is the root reason, remember this is a hobby, which requires a stable economy and safety for the public to take an interest in. Mining is about money and crystals are the purest form of a resource and its only been in recent years that some mines have taken the extra time to set aside attractive specimens to sell to hobbyists market. Otherwise its just quicker and easier to crush everything for a better yield of a resource in a shorter time span. Part of the problem with war torn areas is you lose the generational inheritance of the hobby, just think how many of us have happy memories of fossicking with our parents when we were children. People today who didn't grow up understanding the fun of a hobby don't have the deep interest I feel, instead they see hobbies as things to make a quick buck on.
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PostPosted: May 31, 2020 06:20    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Here in Czech Republic I still see new lovely minerals from Volodarsk-Volinskiy coming to shows or sold to dealers and collectors who know the persons still mining [for specimens] there. The Western 2/3 of Ukraine is not so affected by the violence in the Eastern third - and the tension in the South with Krim [Crimea].
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2020 03:14    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Hello Steve,

Thank you for your reply! I would say that most countries must have interesting minerals, every country sits on some sort of minerals. However, I am a bit skeptical that very small countries like Monaco, Vatican, San Marino, Nauru, Seychelles, Singapore or other tiny island nations produce interesting minerals. I might just be wrong :) If anyone has minerals in their collection from these countries, please let us know, that would be very interesting.
I am well aware about the unfortunate situation in Ukraine, as it is something that concerns the entire region. However, I imagine we should have seen specimens prior to this crisis. Plus, Ukraine is a very big country, not all regions were affected to the same extent. And I suppose that economic activity, including mining, must go on.
Regarding the opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure, that happens if you still have the land to build upon. I think Ukraine and its mining industry deserve a brighter future! Any Ukranian collectors here, by the way?
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2020 03:34    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

David wrote:
...I am a bit skeptical that very small countries like Monaco, Vatican, San Marino, Nauru, Seychelles, Singapore or other tiny island nations produce interesting minerals...

Fiji!



Tellurium with Quartz - Emperor Mine_Viti Levu_Fiji.jpg
 Mineral: Tellurium on Quartz
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Emperor Mine, Vatukoula, Tavua, Viti Levu Island, Fiji
 Dimensions: Main crystal size: 1.4 × 0.3 cm
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2020 04:01    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

I have a friend who is a collector and he just spent a year getting at least one specimen from EVERY nation recognized by the United Nations - including the Vatican. In some cases he wrote to the head of some agency in those nations, and found them very happy to comply. However, many of those specimens were not very special. The one, above, from Fiji is VERY impressive!!!

As for minerals from Ukraine, generally, I was to the Mineral Museum in St. Petersberg, and it has thousands of FANTASTIC mineral specimens from Ukraine! Topaz up to 50Kg and nicely formed morion quartz XX the size of cars - and others.
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2020 06:03    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Thank you very much, that looks amazing! Good thing I didn't mention Fiji :)
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2020 06:27    Post subject: Re: Any interesting minerals from Ukraine?  

Hello, Peter!

Your friend had a very cool idea, that is an interesting criteria for a collection. Especially considering that Geography was my first passion. I was thinking about that, but I find this undertaking to be very difficult, as you've mentioned.
Just an idea, it would be nice to have a giant map on the wall, with a transparent display case in front of it and put every specimen in front of the country of origin. :).
I would love to see that!
Do you think your friend would be willing to share some details? This is so amazing, I'm sure others would like to hear about this.
A mineral from Vatican? Vaticanite? Sweet! Hope it's not from the Vatican wall.
I would love to visit Sankt Petersburg, good yo know, thanks!
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