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bob kerr

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Posted: Oct 25, 2013 18:42 Post subject: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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is anyone aware of a technique for recovering the original color in a Moroccan vanadinite specimen? I have a wonderful specimen that was once red and is now quite brown - mainly due to exposure to light(?).
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Cesar M. Salvan
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Posted: Oct 26, 2013 05:41 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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Hi Bob,
Sorry, but the changes in Vanadinite are irreversible. The light exposure induces structural and chemical changes in the vanadinite, leading to the formation of different vanadium species that distort the internal structure of mineral. |
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bob kerr

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Posted: Oct 26, 2013 06:26 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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thanks Cesar - I kinda thought that was the case. there's a good bit of naturally brown vanadinite around which must be brown for a different reason than light
so how do people display these for a long period of time? special lights?
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Colleen Thomson

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Posted: Oct 26, 2013 19:14 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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I keep all my Red minerals in drawers - the majority are unfortunately, light sensitive. Please don't leave your Vanadinite in sunlight. display for short periods of time, perhaps? Otherwise, if you want to guarantee they will retain their colour, keep them in a drawer.
there have been alot of brown and Tan coloured Vanadinite coming out of Mibladen over the last few years - they are specific to just a handful of pockets that produced a prolific amount, some quite large crystals and relatively affordable.
Vanadinite is rather lovely - enjoy yours. _________________ Cheers,
Colleen :-) |
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Fiebre Verde

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Posted: Oct 27, 2013 01:31 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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Thanks for the advice Colleen!
Does this apply to rhodo's as well?
Has anyone noticed a color change in any type of rhodo after extended sunlight exposure?
And what about the effect of daylight on the color with non-direct sunlight exposure (in the shade)?
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 27, 2013 01:43 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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I think many of you will find quite useful this topic
FMF hosts a great amount of information. We can look it up easily using its searching tool.
Regards _________________ Life is the shortest crystal |
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bob kerr

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Posted: Oct 27, 2013 08:45 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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Antonio - yes, I searched and had previously found the thread to which you refer but it did not address if anything can be done to reverse the effects of light "damage" on any species (vanadinite specifically).
the thread you refer to discusses establishing a list of light sensitive species - and although this is complicated enough of a task - maybe a valuable piece of additional info would be if anything can be done to mitigate the effect.
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Antonio Alcaide
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Posted: Oct 27, 2013 13:39 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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bob kerr wrote: | Antonio - yes, I searched and had previously found the thread to which you refer but it did not address if anything can be done to reverse the effects of light "damage" on any species (vanadinite specifically).
the thread you refer to discusses establishing a list of light sensitive species - and although this is complicated enough of a task - maybe a valuable piece of additional info would be if anything can be done to mitigate the effect.
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Of course Bob. My post was addressed to those users who did not know the mentioned thread. We bring old threads back from time to time. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Jordi Fabre
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Posted: Oct 28, 2013 05:02 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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bob kerr wrote: | ...so how do people display these for a long period of time? special lights?... |
The most important thing is to avoid the sun light. The minerals not specially sensitive (see Preparing a list of light sensitive minerals) if displayed in places without sun light they maintain, and without day light they maintain even more.
By my experience the neon light don't affect the minerals and the bulb light just a little bit, and maybe more by the warm that they generate than by some other reason. So, I believe that the light which really "kills" some sensitive minerals (again, see Preparing a list of light sensitive minerals) is the sun light and a little bit less, the day light. |
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Jim Robison
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Posted: Oct 28, 2013 14:10 Post subject: Re: Making brown vanadinite red again |
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I recall that on MIndat sometime back there was an extensive discussion (maybe several) on light sensitive minerals. In one of the threads there was a compilation of these minerals, including many that are not red. Also some protective measures were listed. Don't have time to find the sites, but a site search on light sensitive minerals should be productive. |
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