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[Walker]

hello, LIUis, thank you for your reply,.

this kind of amethyst was purchase from Peshawar by myself from mintes dealer. i am sure it is from Pakistan, either i am not sure the location is Kharam Baluchistan or not.

Tang.

[lluis]

Hi, Tang

Please, take a look at this page in Mindat

There are several amethysts scepters that share same form than yours, and are from Madagascar (exactly, Antsakoanimanta deposit, Mangatabohangy Commune (Mangatobangy), Ambatofinandrahana District, Amoron'i Mania Region, Fianarantsoa Province, Madagascar... Somehow long.....)

https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?cform_is_valid=1&min=198&cf_pager_page=85

That are certainly shared by some from the locality you said
https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?cform_is_valid=1&min=198&cf_pager_page=119

Then my question

The scepters from Madagascar were sold around world very well.
The ones from Pakistan I have never heard before.

In minerals, well, it was used by Lapis to present each mont one or several fakes
Missatributed localities are not that odd

May I ask listizens if the locality of Pakistan is known to produce those scepters?

Just for curiosity (I have a pargasite that at present I do not know if it is a pargasite, a fluorocannilloite, if it is from China, Pakistan of Afghanistan...and seems that no one knows, because all I have seen attributed to green specks on white marble, that look identical to my eyes,,,,)

With best wishes

Lluís

[Walker]

well,first of all, i can sure that it is not fake or purposive to missatribute as you guess. i would not like to prove that because not necessary.

secondly, i have been here in Pakistan about 10years, all my collections are from peshawar, purchased by myself. i am not much care about location,

but i can share with you some kind of amethyst from Pakistan, you can estimate by yourself.

thanks

[Walker]

amethyst from Pakistan,

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amethyst from pakistan

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amethyst from Pakistan

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amethyst from Pakistan

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amethyst from Pakistan

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amethyst from Pakistan

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amethyst from Pakistan

[lluis]

Hi, Tang

Many thanks for the other set of amethysts.
Those, I have not trouble to see them as Pakistan origin.
Is that special kind of scepter that fueled my curiosity. More being announced and sold also by Mr. Weiss (Lapis owner), with a full article, and many years ago

On the other side, I suppose that there is a language barrier:
You say that you are in Pakistan for 10 years and your photos place as origin China.

Then, I asked the *listizens*, not you again, because you have already answered me, if anyone could say that he has seen same in Pakistan or just only from Madagascar.
You say that you will not prove because it is not necessary.
Well, I am chemist, enegineer, and my training is that all sould be proven when a doubt exists.
Two minds, two ways of thinking...

Yes, you say that you care not about provenance..and for me and many other collectors provenance (or locality, if prefered), is a must.
As I said, two minds, two ways of thinking.

Besides, to buy a piece fom a place does not authomatically imply that piece is from *that* locality. Normally it is, but some people do wonders...
Maybe you remember the fuss about the szenicszite locality.... First given was, well, somehow far from mthe real one...
And not so many years ago, Jordi placed to us to read the history of the Blue/green/fantastically colored kunzite bought by Dr. Lavinsky in Tucson from a pakistani dealer...that resulted in a treated (irradiated) one. History was wrote by Dr. Lavinsky himself, by the way..
And susntone (treated!) said that comes from a mine in Tibet...that does not exists..

So, if any other listizen could give me his knowledge to me, I would be very thankful

With best wishes

Lluís

[Walker]

Hello, Lluís, if you still have question, you can send me private massage. thanks

this an aquamarine, from pakistan of cause, because i only have the speciment from here.

[John S. White]

Tang:

I would urge you to care greatly about locality information, as most collectors consider this information essential. Collections without locality information are essentially valueless to anyone other than the collector. In fact many modern collectors are today carefully recording everything that they can about specimens they acquire, such as source, when collected, former ownership, etc.

John

[Walker]

Many thanks to Lluís and John, i will change my habit to record location carefully. feel pressure to communicate with you all here.

As an unprofessional collector, i should say that i need learn more things from you all.