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John Medici
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Posted: Mar 25, 2013 13:18 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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The midwest USA has produced many elongated fluorites and pyrites, and a few other elongated crystals that are usually not elongated. Below are a couple of examples, maybe a few duplicates of ones posted in USA-Ohio. Halls Gap, Kentucky has pyrite needles (and rings) that are often found in small quartz geodes. I have also found an elongated cube (only one, of around 500 collected over the years) at Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is similar to the Weardale ones shown; it is a yellow one, clear with sharp edges like the other ones found there.
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Fluorite (needles) Suever Quarry, Delphos, Ohio, USA 5 mm long needles |
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Fluorite Suever Quarry, Delphos, Ohio, USA 1 cm high sheaf of elongated needles, with cube on top |
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Fluorite needles on head of pin Suever Quarry, Delphos, Ohio, USA around 5 mm long Most Delphos fluorites of this type were found in petroleum-filled pockets, sometimes associated with pyrite. |
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Fluorite needle, bifurcated Suever Quarry, Delphos, Ohio, USA around 5 mm long George Robinson SEM photo |
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Ru Smith
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Posted: Mar 26, 2013 18:50 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Fascinating specimens, John.
Do you know of any published research that attempts to explain them?
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Posted: Mar 26, 2013 23:12 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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With rapid crystallization many minerals form dendritic, acicular or skeletal crystals. In slags for example, where crystal growth is stopped by rapid solidification, one commonly finds skeletal olivines and dendritic magnetite. Ice crystals in snow are a more familiar example. Micromounters see habits that are not frequently encountered in hand specimen. For instance, on page 15 of LAPIS 4/2010 there is a photograph of a clearly dendritic fluorite crystal 1,5 mm long. With more prolonged slow growth these dendritic, acicular and skeletal crystals may fill out and assume more equant shapes. It is not hard to imagine the fluorite needles illustrated above being the rapid-growth precursors to the fatter elongated examples, preserving the same aspect ratio. This would point to fast initial dendritic growth followed by a slower more prolonged equant growth. (This is speculative because I am not an expert on crystal growth, although I have studied a lot of slags petrographically).
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bugrock

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Posted: Mar 27, 2013 09:33 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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The image of the fluorite on the head of a pin from Ohio is not perfectly sharp but the pattern of growth suggests a series of small stacked cubes, perhaps some elongate and more rectangular than cubic.
Have seen elongate micro cuprite with small steps suggesting a series of stacked cubic to rectangular microcrystals. Without seeing fine detail such groups can look like tapering filaments when the diameter of the cubic crystals changes very gradually along the axis of stacking.
So for the smaller specimens of fluorite one could imagine that the component crystals are conventional cubic form. Might this also happen in the larger specimens? If so two or more cubes would have to grow together with the same diameter and with perfect fusion between the components. Seems unlikely but another possibility to consider?
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ian jones

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Posted: Apr 02, 2013 10:57 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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How could I possibly forget Rogerley, the place that I spend my summers drinking beer and digging rocks.
Although atypical, this rather grubby purple fluorite 6x3x3 cm on the top of the specimen came from the vein as we drove forward in 2012 rather than the flats to the side of the vein where the green fluorite occurs. For some reason the vein fluorites are purple and the flats green.
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Fluorite Rogerley Mine, Rogerley Quarry, Frosterley, Weardale, Co. Durham, England, UK 8x7cm |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2013 06:50 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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I'm starting to think that elongated fluorite crystals from the northern Pennines are perhaps a bit more common than previously thought.
In my collection I have a second Blackdene and also a Boltsburn piece, and, not mentioned as a locations elsewhere, also one from Coldberry Mine, Middleton in Teesdale and an elongated and a tabular crystal from the Cement Quarry, Eastgate.
Additionally, the frontispiece in the current issue of the UK Journal of Mines & Minerals shows an elongated crystal from Frazer's Hush Mine.
However, the extremely distorted crystals like the British Museum's Boltsburn piece shown above remain exceptionally rare.
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Posted: Apr 03, 2013 13:49 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Another unusual specimen from the Blackdene Mine. A cluster of uniformly twinned crystals with one larger tabular, untwinned crystal perched on the face. The tabular crystal is 2.5 cm on edge. I haven't seen many that show both habits on the same specimen.
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Fluorite with minor chalcopyrite Blackdene Mine, Weardale, England 11x7x4 cm overall size. A cluster of twinned crystals with one larger, untwinned, tabular crystal on the face. |
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John Medici
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Posted: Apr 08, 2013 19:28 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Ru Smith wrote: | Fascinating specimens, John.
Do you know of any published research that attempts to explain them? |
Ru, I don't think anyone has done much studying of the Delphos fluorites. My sons and I have collected most of the existing needle type fluorites and the single needles, including a few bifurcated ones, were mainly from one pocket which was oil-filled, around 3+ cm diameter, and contained no pyrites. (We were lucky to notice the micro fluorites in the oil, which we eliminated with a gasoline wash. The only person who has looked at these is George Robinson, and he took the SEM photo of the bifurcated one (which seems to be more like a single crystal than stacked cubes, although that is debatable I guess). I also gave him a piece of another pocket around 15 cm at longest dimension which contained fluorite "sheaves" and some micro pyrites, with a few cubes, as shown in the one picture (and George also has some of the petroleum from that pocket in case it has any relevant value).
Sorry for the late response; I'm often away from the computer for a week or more.
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Posted: Apr 09, 2013 02:04 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Considering its quality and interest I numbered and moved this topic to the Featured Columns of FMF section.
For more info about how the Featured Columns of FMF section works, please use this link
BTW, Ru Smith the author of the first post in this thread and therefore creator of it is already mentioned in the THANK-YOUs for the reference thread
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Posted: May 11, 2013 11:56 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Looking at this Heights Mine fluorite I see a lovely transparent twin (crystals have hexoctahedral corners), with one twin member elongate (L/W ca 2) and the other tabular (L/W ca 0.5).
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Fluorite, collected May 1991. Heights Mine, nr Westgate, Weardale, Co Durham, UK. 12 mm twin on 14 cm matrix. |
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Mathieu Chevalier

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Posted: Nov 02, 2014 13:50 Post subject: Re: Elongate and tabular fluorite crystals - (7) |
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Hi,
Two elongated specimens.
The first one is from England (NNHM London : old fashion style museum but some incredible specimens. Have a look if you go to London).
The second one is from France (Fontsante Mine, Tanneron). An amazing locality for diversity of shapes and colors, You will quickly understand I am addicted to this mine.
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Locality: | Boltsburn Mine, Rookhope District, Weardale, North Pennines Orefield, County Durham, England / United Kingdom |  |
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Dimensions: | about 20cm |
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Incredible elongated fluorite, color and brigthness are not great but the shape and size of this twin... |
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Locality: | Fontsante Mine, Tanneron Massif, Var, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France |  |
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Dimensions: | about 2cm for the longest crystal |
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Elongated fluorites from Fontsante. The biggest one is about 2cm |
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