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PostPosted: Jul 28, 2017 13:31    Post subject: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

There are (at least) two fluorite museums in the Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District:

Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum, Marion Kentucky
https://www.clementmineralmuseum.org/
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American Fluorite Museum, Rosiclare, IL


It’s easy and worthwhile to visit both in a single day. They are a short distance apart (60 min, 27 miles), separated by road and a ferry ride across the Ohio River. The Clements Museum has best displays of the two.

The former had a good selection of specimens for sale in museum shop. The latter had a much more limited selection in museum shop but good specimens were available in the local community.

I will post pictures from both of the museums in separate threads and acquired specimens under my collection section.



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 Description:
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BCMM, Fluorite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Some details for this specimen on next picture.
 Viewed:  18437 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (3).JPG
 Description:
Label with previous specimen.
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BCMM, Fluorite (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18400 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (5).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Following label provides some details for this specimen.
 Viewed:  18456 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (6).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Label provides some details for previous specimen.
 Viewed:  18451 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite, Barite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Barite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18409 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite, Barite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Barite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18456 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (19).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18405 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (20).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18440 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (5).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18421 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Apology for pricing, but the specimen is worth seeing.
 Viewed:  18454 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (4).JPG


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PostPosted: Jul 28, 2017 20:31    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Very nice pictures. My wife and I had a very nice tour of the museum today. If you have the opportunity to visit this fine Museum please support it any way you can. Not surprising they have a shoe string budget.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 11:15    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Good point about the shoestring budget for many of these museums. It was subject in all the small ones visited recently. Some have good shops to assist. The specimens for sale in Clements Museum were great & I post some pictures of them. The American Fluorite Museum (Rosiclare) appears to be really struggling now as shown in newspaper articles this year.

I attach some more pictures of specimens.



BCMM, Fluorite (16).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18243 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (7).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected c. 1950
 Viewed:  18278 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (6).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18222 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (6).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
The block behind indicates size of this specimen.
 Viewed:  18254 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18261 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite 4 sale.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (47).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected late 1050s-early 1960s.
 Viewed:  18289 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (47).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (48).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18229 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (48).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (49).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  18227 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (49).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (4).JPG
 Mineral: Calcite, Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Collected c. 1950s.
 Viewed:  18269 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (4).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (43).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Hill-Ledford Mine, Rosiclare/Sub-Rosiclare level, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Weighs approx. 200 pounds. Note single cube of galena on top of the specimen. Collected c. 1960s.
 Viewed:  18291 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (37).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Note - the hands-on label!- sample dimensions from person sitting behind.
 Viewed:  18265 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (18).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Found on dump pile of mine ore in 1933 BABB/Crittenden Co., KY.
 Viewed:  18325 Time(s)

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BCMM, Fluorite (29).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
I had to throw in at least one of these 'aqua blue' fluorites. I was fortunate to obtain one of these during travels.
 Viewed:  18237 Time(s)

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BCMM, Bag - Hastie.JPG
 Description:
A reminder of the end fate for most fluorite. It is an industrial product after all.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 15:33    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

In 1983, shortly after Ben Clement's death, his son Ed was marketing the collection now housed in the Clement Museum for sale. I believe the price was $10,000, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Hearing that he also had some Franklin, NJ material for sale, I went to visit Ed in Kentucky and bought a few nice fluorescents and an odd piece of colorless, transparent fluorite and possible holdenite coating ore from Sterling Hill. Luckily, I didn't have $10K at the time, and most collectors didn't value US fluorite nearly as highly as they do now. This probably saved the collection from being dispersed. I still treasure and display the pieces I bought, and remember Ed Clement as a fine gentleman devoted to his father's memory.
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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2017 16:57    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

I have been to both museums twice. They are small, but nice and worth seeing especially because they are in, and part of, the Illinois - Kentucky fluorspar district. If you go, starting with either one, take the auto ferry across the Ohio River to see the other. The Ben Clement museum sponsors a dig at the Kentucky Eureka Prospect; I think it is in October. You will find middling quality pieces on that dig. I field collected on the Illinois side in 1998 thru about 2004. At that time you could still find nice middling quality stuff in the dumps and lining the parking lots of the Harris Creek district, North of Cave-in-Rock, Il.
See my pix collecting there in about 2004.

While the museum specimens are quite nice in both places, few examples are truly world class. One interesting note that I made was that the Kentucky fluorite, making up the majority of the Clement Museum examples was mostly the common dark purple cubes type with few examples of other colors or habits.
Ross Lillie was the Ozark-Mahoning company geologist in the last years of operation of the Harris Creek District in Illinois and amassed a world class collection from the miners. If his collection had been donated or sold as a lot to either museum it would have outclassed their specimens by a lot, but his collection was largely broken up and sold off. BOB



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Annabel Lee Mine, Harris Creek Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
Field collecting near the Annabel Lee Mine head frame. About March 2004
 Viewed:  18186 Time(s)

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On the shores of the Ohio River, Hardin County Illinois about March 2004
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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2017 00:37    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

A few more specimens.


BCMM, Fluorite (21).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17916 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (21).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (22).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17920 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (22).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (23).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Fairview Mine, Blue Diggings Fault, Rosiclare, Rosiclare Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17931 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (23).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (26).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17903 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (26).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (30).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Babb-Guill Mine, Babb Fault System, Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Livingston County, Kentucky, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17929 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (30).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (35).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Rose Hill Mine, Hicks Dome, Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17953 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (35).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (39).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Spar Mountain Area, Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17942 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (39).JPG



BCCM, Fluorite Colors (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17901 Time(s)

BCCM, Fluorite Colors (3).JPG



BCCM, Fluorite Colors.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17916 Time(s)

BCCM, Fluorite Colors.JPG



BCMM, 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17893 Time(s)

BCMM, 4 sale.JPG



BCCM, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Baryte
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17922 Time(s)

BCCM, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite, Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17951 Time(s)

BCMM, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, fluorescent (2).JPG
 Description:
Fluorescent mineral display.
 Viewed:  17908 Time(s)

BCMM, fluorescent (2).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (11).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17890 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 00:48    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

Seems very few deep blue flourite produced in IL?!
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 10:40    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

The Minerva #1 mine was famous for blue fluorite and produced some very nice specimens in the 1980s and early 1990s. I would call the color "sky-blue" rather than "deep blue," however.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 11:43    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

As I previously noted, the Kentucky fluorite deposits were about 90% common dark purple cubes. The remaining small percentage were shades of purple and yellow in color.

The Illinois fluorite deposits, especially the Cave-in-Rock area including the Harris Creek District's 3 mines were quite variable in color. Shades of purple, blue, lavender, and several shades of yellow along with multiple colors in many cubes and specimens all were found. In general, the Illinois specimens were much more colorful than the Kentucky examples.

It also should be noted that there is still much ore in the ground. The mining rights are still owned by several local companies. If fluorite and ore prices again rise, mining might resume. One or two collector specimen mining concerns have, over the last few years or so, expressed interest in specimen mining in the district. The rising high prices for better collector specimens has spurred interest in this, but if many more collector specimens were to be found, high end prices might take a hit. BOB
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2017 15:45    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

More specimen, other pictures.

Re more ore in the ground and specimens. One of the companies mining for aggregate kin the area is stripping above one of the mines. This stripping apparently continues down into remaining pillars for fluorite mines and may expose some areas for collecting. They apparently have some specimens for sale, however, I did not have time to investigate further into quality or availability.



BCMM, Fluorite (34).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Bethel Level, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17761 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (34).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (41).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17719 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (41).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (42).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Cave-in-Rock, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17709 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (42).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group (4).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17724 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group (4).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17727 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group (3).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (14).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17722 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (14).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (15).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17726 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (15).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (17).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17711 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite (17).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite Group.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17750 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite Group.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (2).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17749 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (2).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Sphalerite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Sphalerite
 Locality:
Minerva I Mine, Ozark-Mahoning group, Cave-in-Rock Sub-District, Hardin County, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17744 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Sphalerite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17712 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (3).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17725 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite (3).JPG



BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite, Galena.JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite, Galena
 Locality:
Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District, Illinois, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17737 Time(s)

BCMM, Fluorite, Calcite, Galena.JPG


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PostPosted: Aug 05, 2017 13:04    Post subject: Re: Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum -- Illinois-Kentucky Fluorspar District  

A few more specimens & that's it for my recent trip pictures of this museum.


BCMM, Tri-State, Calcite.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
 Viewed:  17592 Time(s)

BCMM, Tri-State, Calcite.JPG



BCMM, calcite 4 sale.JPG
 Mineral: Calcite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
Purchased from Boodle Lane Collection. In museum shop.
 Viewed:  17559 Time(s)

BCMM, calcite 4 sale.JPG



BCMM, Galena, Sphalerite, Dolomite, Marcasite.JPG
 Mineral: Galena, Sphalerite, Marcasite, Dolomite
 Description:
Tri State Lead-Zinc District, MO-OK-KS
 Viewed:  17582 Time(s)

BCMM, Galena, Sphalerite, Dolomite, Marcasite.JPG



BCMM, Fluorite (36).JPG
 Mineral: Fluorite, Calcite
 Locality:
Elmwood Mine, Carthage, Central Tennessee Ba-F-Pb-Zn District, Smith County, Tennessee, USA
 Description:
 Viewed:  17553 Time(s)

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 Mineral: Dioptase
 Locality:
Tsumeb Mine, Tsumeb, Otjikoto Region, Namibia
 Description:
Mislabelled location in museum. An occasional occurrence. Worth mention to staff and sometimes they care.
 Viewed:  17570 Time(s)

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BCMM, Mining Tools.JPG
 Description:
Tools from the district.
 Viewed:  17564 Time(s)

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 Description:
Mining tools.
 Viewed:  17546 Time(s)

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BCMM, Splitters.JPG
 Description:
Mining - processing lab tools.
 Viewed:  17554 Time(s)

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BCMM, Processing.JPG
 Description:
Grinding media from processing plant. Appreciate the description as 'Ball Mill crusher'.
 Viewed:  17571 Time(s)

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