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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 09:24    Post subject: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

(See photo of fluorite specimen (yellow core cube with blue lines edge zoning) and label on reverse) Can someone please identify the location, somewhere in Switzerland apparently? I read the label as "FLUORITE, GRUBE ANNA, FALL (or FAUL?) FOLDING, SWITZERLAND" but can't find any such locality listed anywhere. Thanks


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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 09:53    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

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(See photo of fluorite specimen (yellow core cube with blue lines edge zoning) and label on reverse) Can someone please identify the location, somewhere in Switzerland apparently? I read the label as "FLUORITE, GRUBE ANNA, FALL (or FAUL?) FOLDING, SWITZERLAND" but can't find any such locality listed anywhere. Thanks



From the name Grube Anna, I think it's somewhere in Germany.
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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 10:05    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Thanks, yes all the examples I could find of "Grube Anna" are German indeed. But the label is clearly saying "Switzerland" so I'm wondering whether there is a simple error of country or locality or perhaps there is a Grube Anne in Switzerland after all that Google doesn't know about.....
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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 10:44    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

AndyH wrote:
Thanks, yes all the examples I could find of "Grube Anna" are German indeed. But the label is clearly saying "Switzerland" so I'm wondering whether there is a simple error of country or locality or perhaps there is a Grube Anne in Switzerland after all that Google doesn't know about.....



You can also search on the MineralienAtlas minerals page, it is a German page and it may be easier there, perhaps.
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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 11:06    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Germany (or Austria) certainly seems to make the most sense. As for Switzerland, a Mindat search for "Grube" (mine or pit) with no further locality specification brings up only two matches in Switzerland, neither one of which suggests a match with the rest of the locality information on the label. One is Lengenbach, which is clearly not the source of this specimen, in my opinion. The other is the Riepel Pit, in Aargau, for which only gypsum is listed.

If this specimen is from Switzerland, it is from a locality that Mindat does not know about.

Some fluorite specimens listed on the web are said to come from a Grube Anna in Freiburg, Germany. One Mindat discussion entry, quoted as a screen capture below, refers to a St. Anna mine in Fahl in the Black Forest region of Germany.



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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 12:27    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

I wonder whether the locality is simply the Grube Anna (Germany) and the last two lines are the person it was obtained from, ie. Paul somebody-or-other in Switzerland?
(with no implication that the mine itself is in Switzerland)
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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 13:20    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Hi, my thoughts on this:

- The label says neither FALL nor FAUL nor PAUL, it says FAHL.
- Fahl is the locality in Black Forest (Germany) where Grube Anna is located.
- Fluorites like this occured at Grube Anna.
- Switzerland is just a mistake (but Fahl is in the very southwest of Germany and not far from the border to Switzerland, maybe someone confused this ;-)

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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 13:58    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Thank you, Tobi!

We need to think of a good punishment for people with terrible handwriting. My primary school teacher would never have accepted such a mess ;((
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PostPosted: Nov 26, 2024 15:47    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Maybe adding more confusion...
But If it read Fahl, then, I thing next is Foldina.
Maybe in any place of Graubunden canton? It would be sure Swiss, with a mess in locality name (val Foldina looks to me as Romantsch... Clara is a grisons name.
Sadly, my mother in law, swiss from grisons passed away not so many time ago, so, I may not ask her.
Or maybe in Ticino.... Val Foldina could be also italian...
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PostPosted: Nov 27, 2024 10:00    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

lluis wrote:
Maybe adding more confusion...
But If it read Fahl, then, I thing next is Foldina [...]
Hi Lluís, sorry to disagree but since there are several capital "A" letters on the label, we can be quite sure that it is not an A at the end of this word. I would read it as a G.
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PostPosted: Nov 27, 2024 15:47    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

All could be, Toby...
When there is a fault, many could be there... As the Fahl, that I could not read as fahl, but as Faul....
Who knows what wished to be written...? Not me, by sure

With best wishes

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P.D.: apart that folding sounds odd to me (not word, but "fahl" and folding...

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lluis wrote:
Maybe adding more confusion...
But If it read Fahl, then, I thing next is Foldina [...]
Hi Lluís, sorry to disagree but since there are several capital "A" letters on the label, we can be quite sure that it is not an A at the end of this word. I would read it as a G.
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PostPosted: Nov 28, 2024 04:02    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Hello everyone,

I am very sure that the piece comes from the Anna Fahl mine in Todtnau. I know of comparable pieces and have one in my collection. I suspect that the label is a misuse of an original label. “Todtnau/Schwarzwald” may have been replaced by ‘Folding-Schweiz’ with a little imagination?

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Anna Fahl Mine, Todtnau, Lörrach, Freiburg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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PostPosted: Nov 28, 2024 05:07    Post subject: Re: Can't read / decode this label to identify the fluorite location...  

Thanks Tobi and Armin, seems there's a resolution... Armin's example looks identical to mine - see (slightly) better smartphone photo attached (I saturated the colours and aligned the crystal to show the multiple blue lines in the edge zoning. I'll amend my catalogue notes accordingly and remove the current label.
Thanks also to others who took the time to reply to my query.



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 Mineral: Fluorite
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Anna Fahl Mine, Todtnau, Lörrach, Freiburg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
 Dimensions: 20 mm
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...colour saturated for identification purposes
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