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Juan Roberto Rivera
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 Posted: Jan 06, 2025 13:18 Post subject: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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Cumbria maybe? Labeled as England but could be US?
7.9 x 6.4 x 3.2 cm
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 13:32 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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Michael Shaw
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 13:58 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Looks more like southern Illinois.
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Jesse Fisher
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 14:19 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Not England. S. Illinois is most likely, I think.
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 16:21 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| agreed. That England label is affixed pretty good to this piece but it had no chance of being from England. I just wanted to see if anyone had seen anything in England. Thank you
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 16:22 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Michael Shaw wrote: | | Looks more like southern Illinois. |
Thank you and agreed
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2025 16:22 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Jesse Fisher wrote: | | Not England. S. Illinois is most likely, I think. |
Thank you and agree. Looks like Illinois all the way around but wanted to check to make sure.
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Peter Lemkin
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| Posted: Jan 07, 2025 02:42 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Occasionally, labels are mislabeled as far as location by error. Sadly, more often [and increasingly IMHO] location is changed to raise the apparent value, i.e., use the more valuable location. I appreciate accurate and honest locations on labels and most honorable and knowledgeable collectors and dealers try to maintain correct locations. With very expensive trace-element or isotope testing and a few other measures the location can often actually be pinned down, but most of those tests are expensive and need university level equipment - not available or affordable to the average collector.
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James Catmur
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| Posted: Jan 07, 2025 05:36 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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There seem to be have been two people who have written on the label. One wrote 'Fluorite' and the other 'M, $7, England'. England does produce a huge variety of Fluorite, but this one does not resemble localities I know
| Juan Roberto Rivera wrote: | | agreed. That England label is affixed pretty good to this piece but it had no chance of being from England. I just wanted to see if anyone had seen anything in England. Thank you |
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Tobi
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| Posted: Jan 09, 2025 07:01 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| I agree that this piece could be from Illinois. I also agree that I don't know such fluorites from England. But I would not rule out that this is maybe from Saxony/Germany. I have seen similar pieces especially from Frohnau area and also from Wolkenstein area, both in Erzgebirge/Saxony.
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James Catmur
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| Posted: Jan 09, 2025 08:42 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| What does it say under 'England'?
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 12, 2025 09:25 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| Tobi wrote: | | I agree that this piece could be from Illinois. I also agree that I don't know such fluorites from England. But I would not rule out that this is maybe from Saxony/Germany. I have seen similar pieces especially from Frohnau area and also from Wolkenstein area, both in Erzgebirge/Saxony. |
I also researched Germany as a possibility.
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CaF2_4_me
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| Posted: Jan 12, 2025 11:46 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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Hi
I think, also the Wölsendorf mining district does not seem impossible to me as location.
Best regards
Armin
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Juan Roberto Rivera
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| Posted: Jan 14, 2025 10:26 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| James Catmur wrote: | | What does it say under 'England'? |
Unfortunately I cannot make it out.
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Jesse Fisher
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| Posted: Jan 14, 2025 11:27 Post subject: Re: Labeled on back as "England" but not sure locality or even if England at all |
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| In the back-lighted photo I see some black material in some of the corners. Possibly bitumen? This was common with fluorite from S. Illinois. Not sure about Wolsendorf or Frohnau.
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